Forget Alexa

Discussion in 'Products & Tools' started by Nokia999, Oct 15, 2005.

  1. #1
    All of us beleive Alexa ranking is just garbage.
    Then is their any correct tool to tell what is the exact or somewhat exact rank of a particular website?
    Seriously.
    I raised my website on Alexa to 200,000 in just one day
    beleive me :):)
     
    Nokia999, Oct 15, 2005 IP
  2. norfstar

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    It's widely accepted that a sites Alexa rank can be manipulated, but the higher up the rankings the more accurate it tends to be.

    Also, because Alexa uses data from their toolbar users, a site is disproportionately more likely to have a higher rank compared to it's real traffic if it's user base is from a demographic who are more likely to have the Alexa toolbar installed. For example, my directory and my freeware PHP scripts website have a higher ranking than my videogames website, even though the games website gets more than ten times the traffic.
     
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  3. Shoemoney

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    I think its silly how trendy it is for people on here to dismiss alexa rank.

    I am still suprised when the major reason a advertiser contacts me is because of my alexa rank.

    Wait until your <2000 then when your phone rings off the hook cause people want to throw money at you, you will not think alexa is such a joke.
     
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  4. Nokia999

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    Yes surely u r right.
    As i said i manipulated to 200,000 which is way behind from 2000.
    But my core point is to ask about any better alternative for less popular websites.
     
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    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #5
    It's still a seriously flawed and fundamentally meaningless statistic.

    All your story about the phone ringing off the hook tells me, Shoe, is that P.T. Barnum was right: There is one born every minute.
     
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    #6
    I agree ---
     
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    When does alexa strart traffic traffic? I have several sites, some with over 500 visitors a day (not real huge, i know;)) but no traffic details in alexa
     
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    #8
    From thier site
     
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    I am now choosing to Forget Alexa. Thanks for reminding me to forget.
     
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  10. Nokia999

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    #10
    Yup it is good to forget Alexa.
    But it is far better to have another right ALTERNATIVE.
     
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  11. minstrel

    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    :confused:

    What alternative do you have in mind? And to do what exactly? How about the usual suspects: SE ranking, PR, unique visitors, etc.?
     
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    Everyone says they can bullshit the alexa ranks but ive never seen anyone do it or even show me a example of someone doing it.

    Id really like to see a top <5k site that shouldnt recieve the ranking.

    At what point are you guys saying alexa is no good? I think its good for anything below 25k or so.
     
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    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #13
    The MAIN problem with it is that, as Alexa itself says, it has a serious sampling problem that hopelessly biases and confounds whatever data it produces.

    As an analogy, most stats show Internet Explorer still at about 75-85% of the market, depending on where the data is collected. But if you look only at visitors to SEO or web design sites, you'll find that the proportion of visitors using Firefox and other browsers is much higher. The explanation is probably that web designers are more likely to be aware of some of the advantages for designers offered by Firefox and probably are more worried about the security issues attributed to IE than the general web surfer.

    A similar problem accrues to data collected by people using the Alexa toolbar. If it shows a significantly higher Alexa ranking for Site A over Site B, all you can really conclude is that people with the Alexa toolbar installed visit Site A more often than they visit Site B. It does NOT tell you anything at all about the general popularity among all web surfers of Site A versus Site B. Indeed, no conclusion other than the one I've stated here is possible for Alexa data because of the sampling problem.
     
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  14. Nokia999

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    Yes it is right but we cannot find rank of website + there is no way to find unique number of visitors for other's website.:)
     
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    Ok ShoeMoney.
    Plz visit infoscouts.com and see it is totally scraper site.but having <25k in Alexa.
    Now what you would say about Alexa? :d
     
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    I would say please reread

    "Id really like to see a top <5k site that shouldnt recieve the ranking."
     
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    So having a Alexia toolbaar installed in the office (200+ computers) and having your company page as startpage will increase your Alexa ranking?
     
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    Depends on what your trying to acomplish. Also most companies use 1 ip for a internet gateway.

    The simple answer is while you may show up on alexa you are not going to benifit from it financially.
     
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    Well, the original milliondollarhomepage benefited... I found it on the movers & shakers list, hadn't heard of it before (even here, someone posted about it first) and started a thread. Several members joined up... I am sure that same thing happened elsewhere.

    Do you think the millionquarterhomepage has a proper score? I don't, it looks gamed to me, but the page was being sold on ebay... perhaps that explains some of the traffic. It is on the movers & shakers at last check... two updates now.

    But it is mostly a novelty, unfortunately. There is no scientific way of tracking ranking in this manner, unless you got all the different browsers to report back to one center.

    Then someone would build one that did not, just so there would be one. And then there's telnet...
     
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    I have to spread around some more rep before I can give you a green for that one :)
     
    mopacfan, Oct 31, 2005 IP