For anyone who thinks Illegals are good for our Economy

I am incredibly amused by people who appear to believe that closing the US-Mexican border will do anything at all to hamper Islamist terrorists.

It seems that these people need a huge geography lesson. They appear to have completely forgotten about the US-Canadian border and these two enormous coastlines consisting of thousands of miles of unprotected shoreline.

We once said "The best defense is a good offence." In modern warfare, the only defense is a good offence. Due to massive technological shifts, defense is effectively impossible. To think otherwise is to ignore all available facts.

Closing the borders of the United States to protect us from a bunch of gardeners and construction workers is economicially comical. We already have a very low unemployment rate -- we will have to hire immigrants to man the border to keep out the immigrants!

 

I have no idea if this figure is correct, but I'd have to say that if you can fool the system that easily it's not the ones "using" the system you should blame but the system itself.

And secondly what is the figure for legal immigrants/natives.

Thirdly, I think most of the illegal immigrants "using the system" would much rather be legal immigrants working for decent wages.

I'm not that knowing of us internal affairs but it seams your more eager to spend huge amounts of money fixing your problems abroad than at home.

 

Another good defense is making your enimies your friends. The less people hate you the less likely it is they will attack you.

Quite similar to the fact that there was a time when Swedens most cost effective way of nature preservation was to build water treatment facilities and such in the balkans.

 

seriously... if the government gives away $519 billion to people with FAKE and FRAUDULENT social security cards... then the cards are worthless, and the money we're paying to taxes is being completely waisted. Just 1 more reason this government is nothing but miserable failure... this country really has gone to hell.

 

You might want to check with Spain on that one. After appeasing islam and meeting their demands, it was just months later that Spain uncovered another big plot against their country. Nigeria is a good source too:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4677570.stm

Appeasement didn't work in Spain, it didn't work in Nigeria:

http://www.anglicancommunion.org/acns/articles/41/00/acns4113.cfm

 

Move! I'd rather have an illegal here that wants to be here, than someone who doesn't.

 

It scares me that you might think this way. Tell me who are the biggest criminals is Sweden, are they Swedish or immigrants? Love them and they’ll hate you even more.

 

That's one thing that I don't like with my country, people that make crimes gets more love and care than normal people. I hope you know that criminals can play xbox, playstation, watch DVD at high resolutions screen in the prison. They can also play pool, basketball, lifting weigths and pretty much all other popular sport activities. They have also access to a big library, computers and teachers but when they want to eat, they get more expensive food than any kids get in the schools. I could go on, but I stop here. This is however not a prison, this is not even a middle standard hotel. Why do they need so much benefits? It's almost like anyone would like to do something illegal, just to get into the prison and meet new interesting people.

 

I can say that the biggest criminals is actually ethnical Swedes, if you are talking about serial murders such as abortion doctors. But most criminal activity can be seen in multicultural suburbs. Lot's of stoning against cars(especially police cars and ambulance cars), busses and even construction workers.

 

Numersous investigations into this matter has shown that criminal behaviour is not dependent on heritage but rather your living conditions. Poor people steal more than rich (at least cars and property) but poor swedes steal as much as poor immigrants.

Thats like saying smoking doesn't kill. Often you hear the argument "Smoking can't be bad, my grandfather smoked a pack a day from he was three and he lived to be 89 years old". The thing is that single incidents can never be evidence in these cases. Sweden has had peace for about 300 years now, and we've yet to see large scale terrorism (or even small for that matter).

As far as the Mohammed caricatures (sp?), can't we all say that the world would have been a better place if they had not been published? They were a protest (or said to be) about the problems a writer of childrens book had in finding someone to illustrate her book about Mohammed. The problem with that explanation is that by the time the caricatures were published the book had already been published with illustrations. I find it hard to see the caricatures as anything but a rasist attack on muslims. I further think that people should be allowed to publish rasist attacks on anyone without having their lives threatened, but if you attack fundamentalists you'll have to be prepared for the response. There are so many better ways they could have handled the situation. </off topic>

 

That's the socialistic propaganda they teach us in the schools. Living conditions is a factor, but it isn't everything. People are different, some are taller than others and some are more aggresive than others. An other important factor is your social life.

People steal because
1. They think it's ok to steal
2. They need money

The 1. is the most important. If they don't have the right attitude, they can perform step 2. They rarely change the attitude when they become rich. Many rich people actually steal, why would corruption and company scandals otherwise exist?

Immigrants steal more than ethnical Swedes, wether they are poor or not. That's a well known fact for people that lives in Alby, Rinkeby, Rosengård and Botkyrka. Many poor Swedes that steals do so just because their foreign friends do so. I am not accusing all immigrants, I am accusing the massive immigration policy which isn't good for either us or themselves. We had a calm society before WW2 when the immigration level was way lower and everyone that came could calmly be assimilated.

 

Immigrants in Alby, Rinkeby etcetera steals more than ethnic swedes primarily because in those areas ethnic swedes are a rare commodity, they are also poorer than the swedes living in those areas. As is often the case, the majority does more than the minority.

Yes, a poor person who gets more money often steals more than a person who had that much money from the beginning. Behaviours are harder to change than your income level. As for the statement that poor swedes steal just because their immigrant friends steal, to me that sounds just like fascist propaganda.

 

No, there's no analogy needed. It's like saying, exactly what it is...appeasement doesn't work. It's not a single incident(s). Those were just two random examples.

Large scale terrorism is not the common denominator. Admittedly, Sweden is probably not a hot target for al qaida to fly a plane into a building (at least before illegal free speech was exercised), none the less, I wouldn't call this peace:

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/938

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/world/article1254662.ece

http://www.thelocal.se/article.php?ID=3096&date=20060220

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4700414.stm

http://haganah.org.il/harchives/004053.html

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1024117.ece

http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/02/muslim-rape-epidemic-in-sweden-and.html

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/article.php3?id=4559

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=5096

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/beichman200403120916.asp

I'd say Sweden is integrating into Eurabia quite well.

Islam is not a race. It is composed of virtually every ethnicity from virtually every country from around the world.

I think the world is a better place because they were published. Islam sprung into action to show the world what it was really about. It reared it's ugly head and shocked many with yet another wake up call.

Borders Books made a fine judgement call about the cartoons:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2006/03/29/national/a163611S00.DTL

I don't fault them for this in the least bit. It's refreshing to see honesty when it comes to dealing with islam. But one has to ask, if islam is about "peace and tolerance," what safety and security concerns could they possibly have?

 

Islam is "peace and tolerance", but some Islamic fundamentalists have choosen to ignore that part. Just as some christian fundamentalists have skewed christian beliefes (that just can't be spelled correctly, or is it?).

ps. Too busy to reply to anything else right now.

 

No problem.

Islam is submission. It is not peace and tolerance. If you have some free time, I would love to see references to where Christians have flown planes into buildings, blown up subways, trains, cars, hotels; violent protests around the world over cartoons.

There is no moral equivalence.

 

Anyone who makes this statement has never studied the history of Islam.

A branch of Islam evolved into a group that just wants to be left alone, but the roots of the religion are one of conquest. At one point, the Moors (Islamic army) tried to conquer Europe and did take half of Spain. They didn't do it by pushing "peace and tolerance".

 

There world does not lack religious fanatics that, in the name of religion, has done unproportional things over minor disagreements. I agree with you that the response from the islamic world over the cartoons seems over the top from our perspective. But you have to remeber that this is hardly the first thing that the "western world" has done to them.

I'm of the belief that agression brings agression, and that mutual respect brings peace. Unfortunately we are at a time where the conflict has escalated and either side has to be brave beyond belief lower the guard. The threat from Russia and partners left the world after negotiations and agreement, not by building more walls and dropping bombs (thankfully as we would not have been here if it had).

But this has strayed far from the original topic.

Do you still think that where you or your parents were born should determine if you should be constantly monitored for criminal behaviour, or would you agree that the environment determines your tendency towards criminal behaviour? Or if that fails to gain your interest, should America tighten the procedures concerning well fare benefits or deport anyone who tries to fraud the system? Or, even more on topic, is a mexican illigal immigrant (that does someones laundry for a few dollars so that said person can work a few hours more each week and spend more time with his/hers kids) good or bad for the american economy.

 

The christian part of the world is more peaceful first and foremost because we separated the church and the state. There are movements towards this even in parts of the Islamic world (though you have to look hard to find it).

 

Hey, the poorest districts isn't those areas. It's villages and cities in the Norrland and they have a pretty low crimerate.

Exactly!

This actually the truth. We affect each others. I don't say that this is default for everyone but this is happening on a large scale and a big reason why new immigrants come and steal is because their new national friends in the suburbs do so.

 

Such as the Baath Party