For All who are brainwashed by the media

In case you do not know, answers are given when the asker is actually looking for an answer, why would I give an answer to somebody who does not actually look for an answer?

And what is that question that makes me so scared to answer it?

"does Islam begin in the Garden of Eden? "

Oh so scary!

 

I'm not saying you are scared as such, you are just intellectually dishonest to the point of being actually physically unable to answer questions put directly to you. Like I say, your default response is to be evasive. Which is ironic considering how you want to participate in dialogue. I think it says volumes about how valid your opinions are.

 

Humble forgiveness, have not a first hand knowledge of Islam through reading in full the Curran - Have read many quotes from this forum and other sources and in particular the issues involving women and from those displayed quotes (pro and con) do draw a conclusion of bigotry that exists and likewise with the other religions in many regards and are also their failings. - - The Almighty will return, for our congregation, with the death of either the last good person (Armageddon - triumph of evil) or last evil person (Amageddon - triumph of good) and will give Final Judgment to those remaining - as the occurrence has not occurred what is available today is inconclusive - living the teachings is what is important than reading them as in the end, individually, what one offers the Almighty will be what was lived as being the same as what could have been read if either are worthy of acceptance.

 

If you been actually following my discussions here, you will find that you left a thread in which we were discussing, without answering many questions, despite I answered all yours.

need a link?

Now, why would I want to answer a question, when I know the asker did not want an answer?

But I assume it was not clear for you, here is a simple example which I hope will make things clear to you:

I make a statement in which I say, stOx is a bigot, then right after I made it, I ask: "by the way does anybody know if stOx is a bigot or not?"

got the idea? simple, isn't it?

 

i guess if your position was easier to defend you would have just answered his question, i can understand why you'd feel compelled to be evasive.

 

Ahh another religious debate... this is why I am agnostic, it's the only way people leave you alone

 

Don't worry about it, I agree living the teachings are much more important than just reading them, but without reading the teachings, a person will not know them, a person won't be able to live something that he doesn't know.

To answer your question, "Does Islam begin in the Garden of Eden"?

Islam as an organized religion began in Mecca, Islam as a belief in one and only God, creator of universe and everything in it, begins in the person, Islam as teachings begins in "Read"

As for the Garden of Eden, according to Christianity, it is a physical place somewhere on Earth, according to Islam, it is a part of God's paradise, that is out the time and space, and where Adam and Eve originally been created.

 

Defend what exactly? Islam does not need anybody to defend it, I m more correcting some misunderstandings about Islam, and Muslims, and refuting some lies and propaganda, like when you said Muslims "hated Jews" even before Zionism, and gave an example from after Zionism.

You did not even ask a question but started to discuss a person, I can understand you have nothing to say about the real issues so you want to attack person to try to make a point, here is a tip, talk about the main issue, reply my post that I made earlier here before you come to change the thread to become about me, and if you think I lied there, expose me, will do you better if you are so sure about your claims.

I m not sure now if you have any other question in your mind else than the question been asked by Breeze, which I did not see it as an attack to start to "defend", but more was wondering, since he made a statement that gives an impression that he knows Islam very well, why would he ask about something basic in Islam?

You are like want to force some idea in your mind, about me defending, when the same can be said about you or anybody who post here, about any topic, besides, let's not forget the so many questions by me and others which you escaped, if you truly believe in what you say, you would have answered them, but you are more trying to force an idea, about Islam being bad, which is not new, been there since centuries, and did not stop Islam, or prevent people from embracing it, in the contrary, it spread more.

You are free to think whether Islam is bad or not, up to you, but do not feel so annoyed when somebody correct something, or expose something else, or refute a lie, I know you wish that these would stay silent forever, so you have enough space to spread hate, but you do not get all what you wish

 

lol funny, considering the amount of times you have been on here trying to justify the filth committed in the name of your religion. All you do is try to defend it.

 

So lame sentence, to avoid a discussion, by limiting it to become a discussion about me, and how do I spend my time, so again, let's try to get back to the topic, shall we?

If you have anything to say about this post I made then go ahead, nothing is stopping you.

 

LoL. By you perhaps. Maj Nadal Hussein definitely considers himself a devout Muslim.

Actually, I don't. I was born in the 20th century, with the problems of the 20th century. Generally speaking, I don't worry about indoor plumbing, potable water, or long delays traveling between continents either.

Thank you for being predictable. You are no different than any other idiot college kid who comes out with their head pumped full of poison about the evils and atrocities committed in the name of industrialized western society. The only difference with you is that you personalize it because of your Muslim background. As an educated person, I suspect you'll one day appreciate the irony of using the misdeeds of others as justification for misdeeds of your fellow believers.

@New: Kangaroo court!!! I love it! I have no doubt that you are privy to the special evidence that proves Aafia is innocent. I'm sure you are a big backer of the non-kangaroo courts like the ones in Iran where they are currently sentencing enemies of the state and Islam to death.

Fear not, my terrorist loving friend. Aafia strikes me like the kind of woman who would play the role of a man in any lesbian relationship she develops, so I'm sure her lesbian sex will be consensual. I can't help wondering if she will catch a shank once she is thrown in with general population. After all, her fellow inmates may be criminals, but they are still Americans.

 

first you said most people, and now only you?
you lied, many times, thank you.
and btw, you the one who replied to my post, not me.

 

Yeah , Maybe you don't , I guess this is because you aren't educated nor took history at school even ?!

 

the post where you are defending islam? lol you clown..

 

Ok, I understand you have nothing to say.

 

Its funny to see how Muslims always proudly show muslim converts and "forget" to speak about the mass emigration from of Muslims to the west. This Muslim population in the western democracies grew from (almost) 0 to 100 million in just 25 years!

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/imm_net_mig_percap-immigration-net-migration-per-capita
In 2005, the net migration rate (immigration substracted by emigration) per capita for egypt was sharply negative: for 1,000 people - 6 escaped the ignorance oppression and poverty for freedom and a better future.
Israel, which is a country in wars and hardships, never saw negative migration rate. For people who know who to read statistics, this statistics is flat amazing.

Islam is so great, and even this...mmm..priest.. decided to move...its so weird that all these people run away...

 

funny.. that you consider immigration as some sort of bad thing for Muslims

beware... it is their ploy to takeover the world

 

Exactly quite the opposite. It is precisely my education, and the application of a little common sense, that allow me not concern myself with things that happened nearly a millennium ago. If I were uneducated(and stupid), I might find myself being indoctrinated by one of the few remaining sects of Christianity that hates the Jews for killing Christ. If I were uneducated(and stupid), I might take up Islam and start living my life by a strange set of rules made up by someone "interpreting" ancient texts which were created by a politician as propaganda(lies) to motivate the masses for political purposes in the first place.

It is exactly my education that reminds me what people are capable of being motivated into doing when religion and religious leaders, instead of common sense, are the soul source of guidance and motivation. The crusades are exactly one of many examples that serve as a reminder why Islamic extremism is perhaps the largest problem facing civilized society today.

Truly educated people look at history as an example, not something for which a grudge should be held. The fact you seem to take exactly the wrong lessons from history, and use them as an excuse for the misdeeds of those repesenting Islam, makes me wonder if you even made it out of primary school, unless your primary school was called a Madrasah.

 

The subtle difference is that living (learning) without reading should lead to the same conclusions if both are authentic - not knowing what others have read as being their religion does not preclude judging them by their actions - in association with stoning people for having sex or burying them alive for talking to the opposite sex, a 16 year old girl, it is very appropriate to refer to them, their writings, as bigoted and their beliefs as false.

 

I do not know if I quiet understood what you meant in that post, you too much force a certain style in your posts to appear as mysterious maybe, or maybe it is my English, but I find it harder to understand your posts than anybody else on DP,

I think you are referring to that incident in Turkey where the 16 years old girl been buried alive, and you connect it to these people writing and teachings, i.e. Islam, Qur'an and so on ..

in case that was the case, there is nothing in Islam that punish with burying alive, but there is stoning to death punishment, and it is of course not for talking to the opposite sex,

it is for adultery provided that there are 4 adult, and sane witnesses, that are known to be honest, then the adulterers whether they were male of female will be punished with that punishment, only if they were married,

you see it horrible, up to you, I see it more a punishment for making adultery something normal, or public, which you started to see its result in your own community, we can argue for long about this, but as you live you can learn more, only if you opened your mind,

now you read a post, without reading it you wouldn't have learned about this, so you learned, or to be more accurate, somebody put in your head something, and you ran around to repeat it, as a parrot, you started to say, it is a part of the texts, and Islam teachings, based on what? on that post only? or that news piece, I do not think so, you are pre-programmed to see so on every opportunity,

I can list so many crimes, as I did before, which take place in Christian, Hindu, Jewish, whatever community, and connect it to their teachings, and say, their text, or religion, teach so, will I be honest then? of course not, and I will know it, and also others will know it, as I know very well that you are a dishonest person when you say that piece of news about a crime taught you that it is in their texts, without even reading their texts, or knowing their religion, if that is what you meant in that heavy English (to me) post you made.