Nope, you can hate it whatever, but you you should recognize it for what it is. I have lots of little prejuidices in my lfe, the difference is I ashamed of them, where you seem proud I couldn't care less what anyone else does as long as it doesn't effect me. I really am totally indifferent on personal spirtuality, but I do hate and fear organized religion. I think it is the cause of most of the world's problems. The only reason I even probably think about religion, and gay rights is because around every election , there are certain politicans ususally from a certian political party that start waving the god stuff around, and capitalizing on peoples hatred in order to get votes. Yeah maybe thats sad, but don't fool yourself, a lot of those kids would slit your throat for a bag of chiva, a lot of homeless kids are homeless for a reason, that reason being they ripped off, robbed and used up everyone they could. You should go to San Fransico on Halloween, its pretty awesome then
Ah, yes! The upside is that it takes many pleasurable times in-between to make a child in a healthy marriage…lol if I could have 50 children, I would. I will keep trying…lol Without a normal sex drive put into man by God there would be no marriage or childbirth. It is this normal human drive that helps in the procreation process. It’s just a shame that so many people are perverting what is normal. D
?? prejudice ?? I agree to some degree - depends on what level of "organized" you are talking about.. LOL even you own household has a level of organized religion even if it is just worshipping the TV at a certain time or the worship of you money or stuff. Muslims trying to kill all infidels or Mormons trying to marry every woman for their own afterlife planet, etc.. ya they suck. ?hatred?? Yes there are idiots and jerks who hate homosexuals, I don't and I know Jesus doesn't hate them. But I still don't like the act. Some people (nazis) think the Jews should be punished for Jesus' death on the cross, but there isn't anything spoken about it being the Jews fault in the bible. So people do take things out of context quite often. Oh, trust me, I know it is more than just having a bad start, some are there because they want to be, they like the lifestyle, sleeping on cement, peeing in the street, etc.. similar to gangsters glorifying prison and wanting to serve time to really have made it in there society.
As I carefully spent time re-reading this thread from the beginning again, I finally see someone making an excellent point. I wondered how long it would be before someone actually brought this up. If you are going to want people to respect your beliefs, (even if they disagree with them) you will have to also accept and respect their beliefs as well. It certainly does work both ways. Homosexuals have as much right to be accepted as do those who disagree with their behavior. I for one, as I have stated in the past, have no problem with gays. I have gay customers, had gay friends in high school and college (and have likely encountered or had friendships with people over the years that I never even new were gay).... nor would I care. Just as much as I would not like to see two gay man french kissing in front of my child, I would equally not appreciate two teenage heterosexuals doing the same thing. One thing I have noticed over the years (if you leave the stereotypes at home), are that very few gay men will show this type of affection in public. Perhaps some hugging, a pat on the back, or hand holding. Growing up with a HUGE Italian family, it was never uncommon two see men kissing each other on the cheek, hugging, etc... That type of affection, even in public, is hardly something that should seem alarming, and as such is generally what I have seen or not for that matter of gays in public. Much of the disgusting love scenes that many have ingrained into their heads are from stereotyping by Hollywood and TV. --- the same libs that would have you believe in tolerance and equal rights strive to do nothing more than make people homophobic by casting gays as some type of flaming sexually deprived sickos. That or hairy leather wearing stud muffins. Personally, no, I do not think homosexuality is right.. It grosses me out. Why? I'm not gay. I'm a heterosexual, happily married man that just does not find men attractive in a sexual way. It is only natural that it will repulse me. That is HUMAN NATURE. You know it actually repulses gay men, to think of a man and a women (or themselves and a women together). Again, human nature. That is not homophobic. That is NOT intolerance. That is a normal human reaction to something that seems repugnant to you. While I admit it repulses me, I will say again, I really do not care either way. If you are gay... fine. I don't care. I won't think any less of you. It's a non-issue to me. I was raised Catholic, and religion does not even enter the picture in my opinion. There are gay Catholics. There are gay Republicans, so what. I am pretty certain that the point originally raised about a child asking a question about two men and a parent wanting to do the natural thing in protecting them, is still quite valid. It's not homophobic, it's not bigoted, its not racist (since some seem to consider everything race now-a-days), it's human nature. I am willing to bet that a gay couple walking in the same mall, if they happened upon a couple eyebrow-earing clad goth teenagers with their tongues all over each other, they would no doubt have a similar reaction. Most people tend to display a little decorum in public. In a bar, different story. At the mall? Put these things into context and think about it for a minute. I will say lastly that my personal opinion is that people who are gay are most certainly born that way. Aside from a recent study that found that gay men had brains like heterosexual women, and gay women had minds like heterosexual men, how on earth could you one day just decide, "hey, I'm gay?" I just don't see how someone can "become" gay. Ultimately, I believe that those who disagree with homosexuality have every right to do so, just as much right as those that are gay, have to be gay. The bigots IMHO are those that refuse to respect and accept the opinions of those that disagree with them. Until they do that, they are not going to find them accepting and respecting them. It works both ways!
So does that mean you're a bigot if you refuse to respect and accept the opinions of children lovers? How about gangsters and thugs, prostitutes, or how about terrorists? Where do you draw the line,... oh that's right, where ever society (women) tell you to! Hmmm...
Comparing a homosexual to a terroist, prostitute, and ther other items you listed above is beyond silly. Certainly not apples to oranges here... Last I hear, being gay was not illegal, the other items you mentioned? Are..... I'm not sure you are paying full attention to the discussion.
Hmm... so like I said... as long as society tells you it's ok then you're supposed to accept it. I'm quite sure there's some people who believe being gay is as bad as prostitution (or whatever else people descriminate against). I'm pretty sure there's still plenty of countries where being gay is a crime. So instead of dodging the question again, why don't you answer: Where do we draw the line? How do we decide to "tolerate" one thing, but not another?
You should go hangout in the castro too, you could get some assless chaps to rock, they were real popular over there. Actally I don't think you need to "change" you can be as backwards as you want its free country I do I tolerate your beliefs, yeah just like I tolerate the White power skinheads who I used to live near, and the racist rednecks beliefs too, but they are backwards and prejudiced. Just like people hate gay people.
You are too funny, sad really, no comprehension or something. Backwards? LOL OK, lets see if I can spell this out to you - I don't h a t e anyone.... You are much more aligned to the nazi skinheads than I ever will be. You see I view people including you as equals, but I don't have to like or agree with the things people do. You call me backwards because I don't like the act of homosexuallity?? So you don't like me or my view of that and you aren't backwards? You seem to have the most friction with people on this board right after yo-yo sometimes because you think you way is the only way and everyone else is stupid.
But isn't that difficult, being that you are going to the kingdom of heaven and most other people are going to burn in a lake of fire? Seriously though, don't you think it backwards to dislike someone for the way they born, something totally beyond their control. Isn't saying you dislike gays the same as saying you dislike blacks, or dislike whites? If someone says "I dislike and don't agree with black people", you would think they were kind of racist and backwards, wouldn't you?
I'm not sure bigot is a strong enough word here. For example, some people go out of their way to give the credit of terrorists to others. Giving aid and comfort to terrorists would make them a terrorist supporter. Some people openly support the wholesale slaughter of innocent babies, but vehemently support protecting those that molest, rape and murder children. The same people that support murdering the child without a visible face, also support keeping gang members that murder other people's children alive. It's a shame some parents neglect their children so much, they turn out with so much hatred.
I think I'm asking a legit question here that isn't being answered.... You say people are "born" gay... they're "born that way"..... and that you shouldn't dislike people for they way they are born, because it's beyond they're control.... Well, are child molestors "born that way" also? How about serial killers? People who have sex with animals..... If gay people are born gay, are these other people not born that way also? So is it not unfair to hate them for the way they are born?
ONce again, apples to oranges... The things you mention are against the law. Last I looked, being gay was not. Being stupid apparently is still legal too, ironically.
Did I miss something here? "sodomy"??? I said being "gay" was not illegal. Sodomy is not Homosexuality. Sodomy is any sexual act considered to be "unnatural", which includes things like screwing cats, anal sex, hell even a blow job in some states. I've looked up the definition of sodomy in several places both online and off, and have found no definition that includes any reference what so ever to solely homosexual sex. Now dictionary.com did mention anal and or oral "copulation" with a man, and another man, or another women. Seems sodomy and the law you cited did not really single out homosexuals when it comes to acts that are considered abnormal or unnatural. Seems "sodomy" laws included both hetero and homosexuals, indiscriminately. Do you pay attention to anything anyone says here, ever?
Since you seem to be the only one here with any sense at all, (and the only one capable of answering a question instead of dodging it) I'll just respond to you. That is a very valid point (one I was hoping someone would point out). However, there are people like Gtech and Doug, who believe children are victims if they see gay people...