Five questions non-Muslims would like answered

Once again i say they need to swallow their pride because it only leeds to unneccesary killings.

Something that will never happen offcourse so the insurgency will always continue their useless fight and continue to make civilian casualties.

Or maybe in some point of time someone is smart enough to advocate to divide the countries up and letting them keep their own rules and laws. And also sharing the oil profits in an equal way.

Will never happen offcourse but maybe miracles still happen.

 

To them it's neccesary to scare away the shias.

 

They are attempting to scare them away but will never happen therefor still be unneccesary in my oppinion.

Also when civil war will eventually breaks out because that is bound to happen if they can´t swallow their pride, all sides that is, then there will be once again be killings and unneccesary killings.

And why? because of their stupid concept of pride.

 

Pride? It has much more to do with than pride, try their principles, way of life, religion to start.

 

It all comes down to pride and revenge in the name of honor, someone needs to stop first otherwise it will never stop.

 

No, they are fighting for something that they believe in.

btw.. your avatar fits your crazy comments very well

 

My comments aren't that crazy as you think if you look at the bigger picture of the whole thing and is not so crazy as other comments i have seen in this discussion.


And what do they believe in according to you?

 

They believe in Saddam and his baathparty. Sunnies lived a much better life under Saddam than they do now.

 

But would their situation change? Saddam will never return by causing unneccesary deaths.

And if this constitution is so worthless in the end (or the beginning for that matter) and will not be a reason for content along all tribes and eventually iraq ending up in civil war wouldn't this mean that someone needs to stop putting pressure by violence on another?

It's not difficult, just stop the violence! But in reality it's not that easy because in those areas killing in name of revenge is stronger then anywhere else (an eye for eye), that's why they need to swallow their pride and make better agreements to improve quality of live for everyone.

In the end all violence is useless in the situation of iraq because it will never stop.
If the sunnies are the ones feeling threatend by the new constitution and loss of saddam and are fearing the revenge of other parties then what is what it all comes down to?

Pride, Need for Revenge!
Sunnies fighting are lashes that cause only damages and no results in the end.

 

Saddam will ever return but the bathparty may. And causing unneccesary deaths is for destabilise the country seriously which give the shias a pain in the ass.

Nope, nobody have to do it. The coalition could however put some effort into splitting in it 3 parts and mayby give the south to Kuwait.

It's not about pride, more like two people that hates each others. Shias might like the peace but some sunnies would rather die behind the gun than have peace with the shias in a SHIA COUNTRY.

All conflicts ends no matter how many years it take and the winner write the story(usually).

A good strategy for the sunnies would be to calm done so US leaves and then start again so they actually could do a revolution. But they are too divided.

 

Yes, but damage will always be a damage unless stopped.

 

BUT YOU CAN'T STOP IT!!

It will always continue, there wil always be people rising up and resorting to violence.

Stopping needs to come from al sides, otherwise it will never stop.

You can't wipe it out!

 

Latehorn wrote

Something like this could be the final solution, but then also the oil profits must be split up then otherwise there will still be violence.

And if this solution is not going to be put in place then the mentality of Nope, nobody have to do it. will be the reaon for continues killings and unrest.
And all because of fear of the other's actions if they come in power.

Offcourse it is also about pride, THERE TO PROUD TO LIVE IN PIECE IN A SHIA COUNTRY!!

 

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Depends on how the situation is handled but yes, crimes will most likely continue as well as it does in your country. More than 10.000 people get killed in US every year but as soon as there is any such accidents in Iraq people blames terrorism.

It's an utopia.

Actually it's possible but then you have to use extreme methods. Saddam used such in the south.

 

Yes, they(sunnies) have a interest in here oil profits but I bet most of them would be satisfied with having an own country with their own constitution.

I just said that nobody have to do it.. but ofcourse, the shias might have an interest in peace and therefore do something.

Are they proud to live in a shia country? That's just doesn't make any sense.

 

You can't compare ''crimes'' as we know and are expierencing in western countries with what is happening now overthere in iraq.
Those 10.000 people you refer to are not killed by the motives people are being killed right now in iraq.
Your argument is not relevant.

I know, human behaviour is the root al evil...especially in iraq

No it's not possible at some point in time people (resistence) will regroup and trouble starts all over again.

latehorn wrote

No not proud but...

If you are TO proud it means your pride doesn't want to accept it.

Pride stands in the way to accept peace and living in a shia country

 

So you don't think that you have the same groups in your country? Excuse me but there's a thing called 'Secret societies'. Many of the 10.000 people is killed by similar motives as many shias is murdered in Baghdad. There was also some non muslim 'terrorattack'.. I believe.

Why call it 'human', why not call it evolution? everybody fight for their interests.

Shias didn't resist much because they simply couldn't. The same thing happened to the domestic resistance in eastern europe in the 60-is.

There may be some pride and aggression but the main force is beliefes.

 

Man you trailing off big time here, in my country people don't get killed by the motives that are present in iraq, and also not in the U.S. at least not a big amount, (9-11 not included) it wouldn't be even a full 1% of al murders. The majority of the murders in The Netherlands are because of household related and emotional (passion murders) and not because in the name of islam.

Also the motives in iraq are not belief because they are all muslim or didn't you know that? it's about bad blood and fear of revenge, something that was discussed before but maybe you disagree with...perhaps.

Don't be difficult here man, it's the same.

At some point they would have if they really feld the need to, in every point of time a dictator will be removed.
Just like in the 60's in eastern europe and russia for instance (the tsaar, i don't know his name or family name but the family that got rich of putting people in labor camps to dig up gold).

No it's not, it's about fear of another coming in power and fear of their revenge if they do come into power.

 

1%.. I see.. now lets say that motive murders in US stands for 10.000 of all murders(wtc included) the last 5 years(it's probably much more). there is 100* 10.000 murders in Iraq the last 5 years.. wow.. the population there is about 20 million and increase very fast each month. The blooiest weeks can take about 100-200 lifes but thats vey rare.. it use to be more like 20-50.. but anyway.. lets assume it's 100 every week to make it simple. 100(people)*52(weeks)*2,5(years since the invasion)=13.000.. a slightly higher number than the 10.000 hard-die motive murders but almost the same. It's all just crimes man.

No, I don't blame islam.. that's why I made the example of a non-muslim 'terrorattack'.

So.. your a dutch.. How many in your country share your opinion?

Yeah world is cruel.. but the aggression is just as natural as sex

Are you speaking about the bolsjevik revolution?? well that didn't happen in the 60's. But I can forgive you if you smoked some weed at that time

Probably some fear, but the engine in this conflict is their strong beliefs in the baathparty.

 

Offcourse it's all crimes man but not with the motives and ways of that are taking place in Iraq or are you trying to say that approx: 100 people die in The U.S. everyday because of discontent with a new power to be or because of religion beliefs?

See what i mean with the difference in crime?

I never said you blamed Islam, did i?

What oppinion is that may i ask? To be clear on that and prevent misunderstandings.

What comes down to human behaviour or evolution as you put it

Hmm, yeah i see , i made a mistake here by not putting things in the right context.
What i was trying to say that at some point (not specifly refering to the 60's) dictators will be removed.

Sometimes all that ganja smoke fills up before my screen to much so i can't really see if i put everything in the right context

Yes, you are right and because of this they ''fear'' the new upcoming partie in power and their revenge towards them.

Whe are talking about the same here once again in my oppinion, fear being the result of the ones in power wanting taking revenge on them because they believe in the baath party...and believing in the baath party and therefor the possible revenge of the ones in power to be.