FISA passes, Obama Betrays the Left, DP is silent

I think the fact that he's pissed Jesse Jackson off is a good sign. I hope Obama doesn't back down on placing blame where it is due just because it's not the politically correct thing to do.

 

hey wait a minute, that's not fair.

Before all the financial charades are made, does anybody have heart to send to my PP? I'll be glad forward my info.

Politics stinks.

 

Did you guys seriously think these big contributors were sending money to the puppet Obama for nothing in return? This guy just like mccain is bought and are paid for by the elite. Guys , repeat after me again. Name one of these big time contributors that gave anything to Ron Paul. What ? No answer? I hear echosss of silence from the neocons, thats right RP was truely funded by the people.

 

Most leftists and many of the center who are sick of how things are going will vote for him regardless, had he voted against this however I guarandamntee the republicans would have had a field day about how weak he is on terror. I'm sure they will regardless.

 

Well, at least we're talking about this topic now.

@guru, Obama has the same power broker donors as Clinton, Giuliani, Romney, McCain etc. I don't know if those numbers include primary and presidential, but the max per election is $2300. So $4600 for a primary and presidential election. $9200 for a husband and wife team.

Take Goldman-Sachs $600k. That's 65 couples with at least one person working at GS, donating the max. Or 130 singles.

Now ask yourself, is Goldman-Sachs the largest company in America? What about it's employees, are they the most wealthy? Bear in mind, you can max out to each campaign, and we can only assume the same people at GS did, because they are a top 10 donor for nearly a half dozen campaigns. That's a lot of CHEDDAR!

How come we don't see GM, or Chrysler? Boeing or one of the big movie houses? Why isn't MLB or the NFL on there?

Reality is, most of the list are Wall Street, Law Firms and the Academic community (that lives off of government funding, fiat and subsidy).

So when people talk about the "little man", I laugh. What a joke. Obama tripled or quadrupled Ron Paul's primary take, and Paul still pulled as much from troops as him, or damn close.

 

And to call it anything else would just not be true so take your pick.

 

I just googled "obama number of donations average donation" and the first result shows a breakdown of his donations from April. If you look all through the primary campaign season you'll probably find similar numbers.

 

The whole FISA thing is so far the most disappointing part of this campaign season. The only upside to it is that it's only a protection against civil suits. The powers that be are still open to criminal prosecution.

 

By stopping civil prosecution, the chances of criminal prosecution are almost nil. Glen Greenwald (a liberal Constitutional lawyer) has been covering this on his blog. By eliminating civil prosecution, it's virtual immunity.

 

Oh, cool Good research. I guess that pretty much overrides the fact that he is a liar, sellout and has voted numerous times to violate the Constitution, while claiming to be a Constitutional scholar.

He's making me almost long for Clinton. And that is enough to make anyone puke a little in their mouth.

 

Here is an interesting article.

Stop the new FISA
Allowing the new surveillance law to stand would seriously cripple our free press.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-hedges11-2008jul11,0,1553314.story

 

It's really sad that Obama went along on tFISA. At least the ACLU has filed suit against this bill.

 

He is running in the general election now, what did you expect him to do. I really do hope he runs as a hardcore populist liberal, all that would mean is that McCain would easily win the election

 

McCain is probably going to lose this election badly. Obama will destroy McCain in the debates, and Bob Barr is already polling McCain's gap and has barely started campaigning.

McCain will need a small miracle to win.

 

My guess, from a purely machiavellian perspective:

Obama voted "yes" as part of a cold-blooded political tactic: he made an assessment of potential win, and potential loss, and saw it as a net tactical positive. I would agree with Grim, that if he didn't, he would be attacked from the right as soft on terrorism; he did vote for the amendment to strip the immunity provisions from the bill, so he gained some points, meager as they might be, for doing so; he is banking that come November, as much as his left constituency will be pissed off by these "moves to the center," it will not register strongly enough to result in their voting for McCain, the alternative.

Again, at least he voted. McCain stayed away. Clinton is either looking to play yet another 11th hour game ("buyer's remorse," for even this 2008 campaign) or spreading her senatorial wings, where she believes her best chance at effecting her policy aims might rest.

Pure politics.

 

Its done. Bush got the exact bill he wanted and he couldn't even veto it if he wanted because it was sent through with a 2/3 majority.

The executive can spy on anyone for about seven days, and they can keep spying if the warrant is denied and they have to appeal. Retroactive immunity is in and the companies will continue to be paid for their "national service."

Congress took a big dump on the 4th amendment, only the SCOTUS could undo it now.

 

Obama>McCain

Obama or DON'T VOTE!

 

Barack Obama will Bring No Change <-- PROOF!

 

Obama and McCain both suck. They both voted against the 4th Amendment.