Find out why Al-Qaeda issuing a 60 million dollar bounty on this coptic priest

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  1. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #41
    Did you get an education past primary school? Here you try to change the topic to my belief system, as if it has anything to do with the subject, and in the same post you once again accuse me of the 'Red Herring argument". You should take up pushing Islamic values in your porn advertisements, since hypocrisy is clearly not something you consider a character flaw.

    My question about your opinions on the use of the word Allah is tangential to the conversation, as clearly indicated by the words, "By the Way". Most intelligent people are capable of carrying on a multi-threaded conversation. Sorry for overestimating you. Only answer if you feel you are up to it.

    So many passages to misrepresent.

    Here is a quote from Hadith that is actually part of the charter of Hamas: "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. 'O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him'"

    Now are you claiming they have taken the quote out of context in their constant effort to live up to those words in their quite literal meaning? How else would one interpret those words? If I write a note to a friend and in the note it says, "be sure to kill any Malaysians you encounter", would it matter if some text I wrote said, "Do not harm anyone, including those of Malaysian descent"? The answer is not at all. There is no misinterpretation of the words. There is no context you can provide using other text to lighten their blow. Their meaning is quite obvious.

    Given you proclivity to hypocrisy, I'm sure I will be highly entertained by your response. Let me make a prediction. You will first try to change the topic, perhaps to my personal religious beliefs. You will then accuse me of using a logical fallacy in which I changed the topic to avoid arguing the point.

    I guess we are all products of our teachers and instructors. After all, Hadith says: "A Jew will not be found alone with a Muslim without plotting to kill him." but the prophet says, "He who wrongs a Jew or Christian will have myself as his indicter on the Day of Judgment.". No wonder you people are so confused.
     
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  2. luke12

    luke12 Member

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    #42
    I'm also looking forward for the wonderful explanation of the Muslim lady regarding this passage, addressed to Muslim Women by their Prophet

    "I have not seen any one more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious, sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked: "O Allah's Apostle, what is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said: "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said: "This is the deficiency of your intelligence"... "Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said: "This is the deficiency in your religion."
     
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  3. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    #43
    You were upset when I thought that you are an atheist but you accuse me of changing the topic when I politely asked what your religious belief system is? Thats not "changing the topic", its called courtesy. As for the "red herring argument", you tried to introduce something about Malaysia but it is not related to the topic at all. Hence it is a red herring argument.

    Ad hominem argument. Wow, you really should take note of the logical fallacies you commit at every juncture. Do you find it fun to commit logical fallacies which impede the discourse at every opportunity you see?

    I am not interested to deal with this issue at this point of time.


    This is a famous hadith regarding a prophecy of future times concerning the Qiyamah. It does not mean that Muslims must kill every single Jew that they see in the present.

    I just did, without batting an eyelid.

    I find it hilarious that you cited another famous hadith which invalidates the very interpretation you imposed on the previous hadith.
     
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  4. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #44
    Did I call it or what. You first furthered your request for my religious beliefs which you had already earlier in this argument tried to use against me as an Ad Hom. You then accuse me in this post of using an Ad hom because I listed perhaps the only opportunity you haven't taken to be a hypocrite. I suppose being predictable is better than being a hypocrite, but since you are both, it doesn't bode well for you.

    Not interested or not capable? Should I hold my breath? Thank god I didn't hold my breath waiting for you to provide the evidence Mohammad didn't jack off to his 6 year old bride. I'd be dead by now.

    Right! So the meaning of what it is Muslims must do is not unclear. It is simply a matter of when. Got ya. Now what were you saying about this quote not being racist?
     
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  5. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    #45
    Asking about your religious beliefs is "ad hominem" but slandering me for "porn promotion" :rolleyes: is not? I am confused!

    I have already given my answer, but feel free to think otherwise. Its not like I could stop you anyway.

    You have a problem with a prophecy in the future? Then you should read the Book of Revelations, where it clearly states that Christians will be killing Jews at the end-times. I don't see you complaining about it, so why do you have a problem with something that hasn't even happen yet?
     
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  6. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #46
    Buy a dictionary.

    Please provide the quote from Revelation. Also, since you are claiming the quote is figurative or apocalyptic (most of Revelations is Figurative), please provide the context to prove your assertion. If it is figurative and not to be taken literally, why is it part of the Hamas charter? Are you claiming Hamas is falsely representing Islam? If so, why don't I hear you speaking out against their presence in Palestine?

    [Edit]You forgot to answer. Is it racist?
     
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  7. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    #47
    Appeal to ridicule.

    Enjoy reading the whole book.

    I have never said that the hadith is "figurative".
     
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  8. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #48
    So you have nothing. Can't claim it isn't racist, can't claim it is figurative (not real instructions for the Muslims now or in the future), can't provide me the verse in the bible that says Christians will kill Jews. Is this a new tactic? Give up and declare victory? At least you stuck with another bogus claim of logical fallacy.

    For the record, even if the bible said Christians would kill Jews, which it doesn't, I would call that racist. Its called a consistent standard. Having a consistent standard prevents hypocrisy. Here endith the lesson.
     
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    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    #49
    Try again.
     
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  10. luke12

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    #50
    The bible mentioned nothing about Christians killing the Jews. You could come up with a much better off-topic excuse. Is this your method of "Running away from facing your Quran" ?
    If not, answer my previous posts

    I'm not trying to prove something here because I already know what your Quran is teaching. However, I want you to face the words of your religion and defend them legitimately.
     
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    #51
    There is no harm in reciting the Quran and explaining it. We muslims are doing that every day.

    The crime is when you twist the Quranic verses and invent lies against God and His messenger who came to save huminity and lead them to Paradise.

    The crime is in attacking God and His Angels and prophets, peace be upon them.

    God is "The One Who has created me, and it is He Who guides me; (78) "And it is He Who feeds me and gives me to drink (79) "And when I am ill, it is He who cures me; (80) "And Who causes me to die, and then brings me to life; (81) "And Who, I hope will forgive me my faults on the Day of Recompense, (the Day of Resurrection)," (82)

    My eternal goal is to meet Him.

    ..........
     
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    #52
    Well, let us know when Menj gets home and tells you what to think. We'll be waiting.
     
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    #54
    Those who claim that males and females are the same and equal are blind people.

    Men are one degree up is proven even in science (you don't need science to prove it, it is obvious for those who have sight). First, all people are females, then some are evolved one degree up to become males.

    Also, Females can take more than the males in inheretance in some cases. You should look at the rules mentioned in the Quran, then apply the different cases thereof to see how is that.

    In Islam, the husband must pay for his wife even if she is very rich, but the wife don't have to pay for her husband at all.

    You have to take all these in consideration before you judge.

    Finally, you have no right to question God for His commandment, you have to obey Him and that is it.
    This is a principal even in your own religion.
     
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    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    And people claim that I make Islam look bad. :p

    If there was a god who created mankind, he created us with brains and I have to think that he meant for us to use them.

    If he wanted slavish followers, he could have stopped with puppies.
     
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    #56
    There is nothing wrong in telling what will happen in the future.

    The prophet, peace be upon him and his family, told some of his beloved friends how their ends will be, and it happenned exactly as he said to them. Was that racist? really?
     
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    #57
    Scientific proof of male superiority... talking rocks that assist in killing off Jews....

    Reality is just a crutch for people that can't handle Islam.
     
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    #58
    As you accept a book from God claiming eternal Hell for disbelievers.
    Shall I consider that to be love?

    God doesn't love those who invent lies against Him and disobey His commandments.

    You might love those who insult you, but God will burn them in Hell.

    As you accept that God ordered Moses, David and Solomon, peace be upon them, to fight against the criminal disbelievers and falsehood generators, and take the control over the land from them, I believe that God ordered Mohammad, peace be upon him, to fight against the criminal disbelievers and falsehood generators, and take the control over the land from them, too.

    David married more than Mohammad did.

    Marriage is a project to build life, and whether you like Mohammad's marriage to Aysha or not, it is not your business at the end. Aysha and her parents were very happy with him and were thanking God for such blessing.

    Let me guess, you christians and jews believe that Abraham married his own sister, right? and yet you find that to be fine and not a crime. mmm


    I will make a thread on this topic you are asking me about.
     
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  19. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    Notice how he has no problem justifying Muslims doing exactly the same actions he claims Israel has done in the the name of Allah? I'm really starting to think being a hypocrite is a prerequisite to converting to Islam.
     
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    I didn't complain about what Moses, David and Solomon, peace be upon them, did of Jihad against the disbelievers. I would be out of Islam if I did so.

    I condemn the double standard of jews and their dogs who attack Islam and muslims for Jihad while their own religion and religous leaders such as Moses, David, Solomon, peace be upon them, where doing the same thing muslims are doing.

    Actually, even after the jews and christians became disbelievers, not following the same message of their prophets, peace be upon them, they continued their so called holy wars against people.

    So, as you treat people, you will be treated the same way. This is Justice, not hypocricy.
     
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