Find me a website that has #1 in Google for a quality keyword with a 0 PR

Good example ... basically proving the original poster's point in principle. You've appropriately selected a highly competitive keyword — "mortgage", which receives about 56,000 daily searches.

The OP maintains (correctly in your example) that you'll find no PR0 pages ranking high for such a competitive keyword. In fact, your example shows no PR1, 2, 3, or 4 pages ranking high, either. And that is the essence of this thread's opening salvo — that is, that for truly competitive keywords, low-PR pages won't rank high. Sure, PR5 pages may outrank 6's or even 7's on occasion. But low-PR pages will rarely if ever outrank high-PR pages for genuinely competive keywords.

 

PR is just one of the many factors that go into how google determines how to rank websites for a specific keyword, and it is an important factor..if PR were the only factor that goes into ranking a website for a keyword, then a PR8 site can rank for any keyword it wants on a whim.

 

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That is a clear and concise statement of the truth about PR.
• There are many factors involved in search engine rank.
• PR is one of the important ones.

 

Yes Jim, you clearly GET IT. but like I said before...theres no point in trying to argue and start posts trying to prove a point to the people who dont...If people cant figure it out by themselves then let them be ignorant...they will probably get it in time through trial and error and experience.

 

I hear you, Brinked, and on occasion I too feel to just let it go and let people ignore important SEO information to their own hurt. But at the heart of Digital Point is a common (but not universal) desire of the members to help one another. So I hang in there with other likeminded members on this issue and keep posting.

 

FINALLY!!!! Some people actually understand where I was trying to get!!!!!

 

IMO no one knows how google rank pages because there are so much factor in their algo. some major some just minor. Only google knows it and they have give some guideline for us to understand it but not the real algorithm. But the fact is we know that onpage and offpage do play a role on ranking. the best part of algorithm is that google can tweak whenever they want, 20% here and 10% there today then maybe 5% here 25% there next month.

Google will try to make their secret algo as unmanipulative as possible. if they notice that the crowd is about getting right to their algo they will change it without we even know it and they just keep silent while doing it. perhaps even smiling before going to sleep counting the dollars sign because controversy brings money to them.

 

Man we say from experience that PR doesn't matgher

I have a bether exemple a PR3 site ranks for a competetive keyphrases a PR7 site

But you can belive what you whant ......

 

Hmmm, try to fully optimize your site then if the SERP updates first, some sites with PR0 becomes number 1

 

Firstly, a "website" doesn't have PR "webpages" have Pagerank.

Poker - #1 PR N/A

All the below values are either PR0 or PR N/A

Refinance - #6
Viagra - #4 and #9
Investment - #10
Loan - #10
Stocks - #4
Wall Street - #7 and #10
Bet - #5 and #10
Cars - #4
Computer - #3
Buy Viagra #3 and #6
Lending - #7
Internet - #8

Really you need to get a clue, Pagerank is a joke much like this thread. An export occurs roughly every 3 months, so it's not my problem if you can't get a website to rank in that timeframe. You can think all you want "i'm not ranking because my site has no PR" it's just a cop out to yourself.

By the way, the values for the above terms were obtained using the new PR values from 72.14.255.17 which i configured in HOSTS file. If you want me to switch back to a non updated DC with 3 month old values you will find alot more.

So this accurate and important PR for the above phrases was exported from Google "today" so you can't get much more evidence than that.

 

So many explanations and theories yet everyone failed to show me what I want to see. If PR means absolutely nothing there would be a few 0 PR websites which rank #1 for a really high quality keyword. I think I can rest my case here. More theories are welcome but I think I've proven that PR is an important part of getting a high position in Google. It does, however, need to be combined with other SEO technique because PR alone will not get you a top postion. But if two websites did the EXACT same thing the website with the higher PR will show up first in search results.

 

Hi gregdavid

Try searching for "seo specialist india" on google( worldwide/any regional), you will spot our link seoindia.bsolutions5.com (PR <0) on the top page 1.

Google uses page rank as a toy which is given to keep seo babies busy
The real ranking factor is based upon combination of various factors like trust rank, history, domain etc etc. It is similar to hidden ranking parameter used by yahoo.

I am sherlock holmes of SEO

 

Not a quality "KEYWORD". If you search for the terms "real wholesale" or "legitimate wholesale" my directory will come up in the top ten. The reason why I can get the top ten is because no high PR sites that are on that subject are competing for those keywords.

 

As noted above, that is a noncompetitive keyword. I scored #1 in Google for my first and last name from the beginning. The only trouble is — my first and last name are a noncompetitive keyword. So the #1 rank meant zero, nothing.

I'm still watching and waiting with interest for the first poster to take the OP's challenge and actually show a PR0 page that ranks "#1 in Google for a highly competitive keyword (not phrase)". Notwithstanding all the rhetoric and unrelated replies to the OP's challenge, not one example has been given to defeat his challenge. Still waiting...

 

I like you Jim. You seem to be a pretty smart guy.

 

See my list above, #1 for Poker is PR0

If Pagerank and rankings were so closely related, Poker.com would of dropped from #1 spot when it's PR dropped from 4 to 0 right?

I've got dozens of sites to #1 and page #1 with no PR for competitive terms.

 

poker.com is PR4. AND it has "poker" in the domain name — a huge SEO ranking advantage. Still waiting....

http://www.digpagerank.com/index.php?url=www.poker.com&dc=18

 

See the string of terms i listed above, Google is tinkering with PR as we speak and on the new DC's it was a PR0 so it's a bad time to ask this question when PR is constantly changing.

 

So basically what you're saying is PR is important even if it hasn't been updated?

 

Hello Jimmy

The site also shows on page 7-8 for "seo specialist","seo india". Now aint that competitive keyword

Site has PR < 0 and still ranking on page 8 on google ( worldwide + regional)

It shows that google uses a hidden ranking parameter. The page rank is just a toy to keep seo babies busy