Finally the pope stands up for 3rd world countries

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by pingpong123, Apr 5, 2007.

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    Its about timeeeeeeeeeeeee. He finally said what we have all known and what i have been saying all along. Frankly im shocked but in a good way. All rich countries are plundering third world countries and this is why we have terrorism and so many conflicts today. Good job pope, its about time


    Pope says rich nations "plundered" Third World By Philip Pullella
    Wed Apr 4, 6:26 AM ET



    VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Rich countries bent on power and profit have mercilessly "plundered and sacked" Africa and other poor regions and exported to them the "cynicism of a world without God," Pope Benedict writes in his first book.

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    The Pope also condemns drug trafficking and sexual tourism, saying they are signs of a world brimming with "people who are empty" yet living among abundant material goods.

    One section of the book was printed in Wednesday's Corriere Della Sera daily before publication later this month by Italian publisher Rizzoli, which owns the newspaper. A Rizzoli spokeswoman confirmed the authenticity of the excerpts.

    In the 400-page book, called "Jesus of Nazareth," the Pope offers a modern application of Jesus's parable of the Good Samaritan, who stopped to help a man who had been robbed by thieves when others, including a priest, had not.

    "The current relevance of the parable is obvious," the Pope writes.

    "If we apply it to the dimensions of globalised society today, we see how the populations of Africa have been plundered and sacked and this concerns us intimately," the Pope says in his book, which comes out on April 16, his 80th birthday.

    He drew a link between the lifestyle of people in the developed world and the dire conditions of people in Africa.

    STRIPPED NAKED

    "We see how our lifestyle, the history that involved us, has stripped them naked and continues to strip them naked," he writes.

    The German Pope, who has condemned the effects of colonialism before, said rich countries had also hurt poor countries spiritually by belittling or trying to wipe out their own cultural and spiritual traditions.

    "Instead of giving them God, the God close to us in Christ, and welcoming in their traditions all that is precious and great ... we have brought them the cynicism of a world without God, where only power and profit count...," he writes.

    The Pope says his comments were valid for other regions apart from Africa.

    In what could be seen as a strong self-criticism of the Roman Catholic Church, whose missionary activities often went hand-in-glove with colonialism, the Pope writes:

    "We destroyed (their) moral criteria to the point that corruption and a lust for power devoid of scruples have become obvious."
     
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  2. pingpong123

    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    The Pope says his comments were valid for other regions apart from Africa

    The Pope says his comments were valid for other regions apart from Africa

    The Pope says his comments were valid for other regions apart from Africa

    HINT HINT HINT!!!
     
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    I'm thinkin about buyin a yo-yo
     
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    Are you sure about this? Terrorism is caused by religious perversion, not by poverty. If less time was spent killing each other over there, poverty wouldn't be a big issue. It's just simply easier to say "rich countries are taking our stuff - let's kill them" than to look at the actual problems. Palestinians are a perfect example of this
     
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    When you post news articles, would you mind posting a link to your source?
     
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    so all those facist muslims in Africa trying to take over the countries is all because of money? Really? Money creates terrorism??
     
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    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    D16man how about we talk about the fanatical government in iran. Africa isnt my main area of expertise. Its so simple in iran. We helped to take out a very good leader in iran who was an intellectual and most of the students today regard mossadegh with great respect.If we didnt do all of these covert operations do u really believe that iran today would be fantaical? No, it would have been a moderate state, one friendlt to our government.

    Now imagine if america had an awesome president that cared for its people and wanted to progress the country to the next level in all areas, and then some new superpower comes in and demands that we give them 51% control of our oil. Then when we refuse, they start plotting the downfall of our great president and help to install a non brained puppet(ala the shah of iran) who has an iron fist, who is never elected and is a minority leader at best who doesnt represent the will of the people. I would say we would have had a revolution if that had happened in our country.

    Hence the islamic revolution. Khomaine wasnt popular with the masses but by the time the iranian revolution took place it was too late. Who paid the most from our actions in iran? Simply, the common every day moderate iranian person and the intellectuals. Now d16man can u really in your heart of hearts tell me that this wasnt our governments fault?
    You can look this info up anywhere online and i have a thread on this.
    Mossadegh was the best leader iran had in a long time, he had a phd in finance and was well loved by the moderates and intellectuals of iran and was voted time magazines man of the year in 1951.
    Shouldnt you be outraged that we did this to iran? Or are you gonna bury your head in the sand like the consertavives and liberals usually do and start mudslinging. Remember this , moderates are unbiased enough to see both sides of the equation and that is very important to have true clarity as to what is happening around you.
     
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    BOO HOO
    It's our fault they have corrupt governments, sure. Everything is our fault. We are so evil.
     
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    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    ly2 instead of putting an ignorant 1 liner, how about researching this, but then again this is asking too much lol.
    I enjoy my jousts most with gtech because he comes prepared. Try it sometime lol
     
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    I don't even want to bother with this one, it's not worth the time. And there is nothing to research. You can blame whoever you want, it's not going to solve the issue. The issue is corrupt governments.

    For example, look at most middle east countries. Why do they not have any money? After all, they do have most of the worlds oil. Yet only a select few live like kings. The rest live like bums, now whos fault is that?

    I'm not going to 'research' anything on this. I don't feel the least bit guilty for having what we have. We are also the worlds largest donater. We give more money to poor and needy countries than any other nation in the world.
     
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    Ly2 of course your not going to research anything because ur not gonna like the answer. yes the middle east is full of corrupt governments. There isnt one that is good, but to be ignorant enough not to read and research, well , i dont know what to say.

    Thats like going into a debate and not even studying the subject and knowing nothing about it and then critisizing the one who brought the facts to the table . You can always find this info in the library of congress even .

    So i guess u find it ok for one country to covertly plot the destruction of a 3rd world government because an oil deal didnt go exactly the way we wanted?

    Ask yourself this? So u think the money that our government donates to others is more than the amount that we have plundered from them. Remember we arent talking about private donations from private american citizens , we are talking about government funding. Please do the research on the numbers.

    Like i said again and again, mossadegh wanted to change the standard of living for his people, but never got that chance, but then again u dont know why because ur not gonna bother reading into it. The way the political system is set up in the middle east, there can never be a good moderate leader to be elected that will actually care for his people and make things good enough to eventually make the children stop thinking of fanatisism.

    Ly2 its not about blame, its about facts , pure and simple. I love my country, this is why i speak up.
    Oh and another thing, moderates rule:)
     
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    Yea, there's tons of stuff I don't know. I only started to pay attention to politics and history the past year.
    Now it's one of my hobbies. It tok me a while to un-learn the poisonous liberal BS my family taught me, but I did. And slowly but surly I am learning about history. I guess if I had paid attention in class I would be better off now, but that's another issue.

    I used to argue with MIA, GTech, and everyone else not long ago. I was just repeating the idiotic ideas I had been taught as a kid by my family. But, as I learn more and get older, all the silly little liberal ideas make less and less sense.

    P.S.

    I actually did read the entire wiki page on this. Just so happens, some of the countries that are most outspoken about how little we give, they actually are at the bottom of the list of per capita %ages donated. France is one that comes to mind.
     
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    So before u were a robotic liberal and no your a robotic conservative? May i ask what is the difference?
     
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    Before I was just repeating what I was taught by my family. Now I am giving it based on facts and common sense. Something liberals seem to lack.

    I don't remember who said it, I believe it was Churchill (remember, I'm still new at this), but he said something along the lines of:

    Not sure exactly how he said it, but it's probably one of the best quotes I have ever read, honestly.
     
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