I find your assumptions that you continue to make quite funny. No, I do not think the virus was created in a lab. Do I know they exaggerate these events to spread fear amongst the public? Yes. And your statements about you should only take medical advice from someone who is in a medical position, pretty funny yet typical from the average sheep. Sorry I don't take orders from someone just because they have a degree or work in a hospital. They take their orders from someone to get a paycheck, they give you what medicine they are told to. Sorry, I won't be taking prescriptions for painkillers and the other medication that causes more harm than it helps. As for your financial advice example, I would rather take advice from someone who understands monetary policy rather than my current government. I'm sure the pencil seller doesn't work in the interest of larger corporations or have lobbyists controlling how many pencils/what kind of pencils he gets. Why would I listen to an opinion from Icke? Because he is correct when it comes to explaining how they are using this strain of flu as a distraction and fear tool on the public. Just because I don't agree with someone 100%, doesn't mean I don't 1%, understand?
I find your contempt towards those who dedicate their lives to extending your particularly distastful and grossly ungreatful. If we are to consider which of us is the "sheep" I think most would it isn't the one who understands and is grateful for medicine and it is the one who takes medical advice from a mentally I'll nut job who's days should be spent selling pencils from a cup. You have bought I'm to this childish trend of believing absolute bollocks, and the more bollocks it is the more likely you tin foil hat brigade are to believe it.
Sorry but you're wrong once again. Half of what you write doesn't make sense, the other is just your wrong assumptions. Pointless to even talk with a person of your perspective. Again, I'm not taking medical advice from a nut job, I used it as an example. If you understood anything about how our society is ran you would realize this horrible things that are happening to all of us. Yes, some vaccines are safe. Yes, some vaccines cause autism and several other diseases, paralysis and even death. Feel free to study past 'pandemic' scare tactics if you wish. I'm simply saying hundreds of thousands each year die from the flu, now we have a few hundreds dead from the 'swine flu' and our government is putting society in a state of fear. Why do I not put my life in the hands of those with degrees? Many reasons, one for example: "To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men, their individualism, loyalty to family traditions, national patriotism and religious dogmas." - G. Brock Chisholm, former director of UN World Health Organization Sorry I don't want my individualism, family traditions, patriotism nor spirituality removed by some team of doctors to further push a political/economical agenda.
I listen to more than one person when it comes to vaccinations. While some have been vital - others are just insane. Why would you give small children a vaccine for STDs? That implies something very wrong. Additionally if having multiple organisms in a vaccine given is shown to cause cancer, and illness, in dogs... why would it be any different in humans? We're biologically similar, as we both share a lot of the genetic coding (dogs and humans are quite separated, yes, but rats show this same disturbing effect and, well, we're a heck of a lot closer to rats than dogs) so why should we do the same things? Separating out the vaccines is a much more logical way of administration, where instead of 3 (MMR) or even 5 now in some trials, it is one here, one there, with enough time for your white blood cells to adapt to one. Three is overkill on a baby. As for flu vaccines? Fuck them.
Great comment. Yes it's sad when you realize how those with slightly different genes than those of the majority are treated. Big pharma understands that some vaccines in children bring about autism, but they continue to produce them to keep corporations in business and simply say 'too bad' to those who become infected with diseases/illnesses.
Greddy4u, you are all over the place. whats with the random quote? it's irrelevant what someone one said on an entirely unrelated matter 60 years ago, the point is, the best person you could find to bolster your paranoid delisions was a mentally ill fruit cake who thinks the queen is a lizard. nuff said. You practically said "look, david icke agrees... and he's jesus, apparently, so he should know!" If these consprisy nuts are to be believed the entire world must be in on it appart from them, talk about having a high estemation of ones sels. Like i said, you simply aren't important enough for them, if they exist, to give a crap about. And really, if they are our overlords why would they want to make us sick? It doesn't make any sense. Jackuul they give children vaccinations against STD's (HPV) because eventually they are going to be adults, and adults have sex. As HPV is the most common form of STD infecting around 80% of adults (don't worry pong, you are safely in that 20%) and causes cervical cancer it's wise to vaccinate people, especially girls, against it as soon as is practicable.
Why would they want to make us sick? I honestly don't know why I'm debating with you, you obviously haven't done your research. These people believe earth is over-populated as it is, they are highly for depopulation. If you would like proof of this, feel free to let me know. And if you used your mind you would know that quote wasn't 'random'. It was proving your statement wrong about how we should trust those in the medical field and those who have power within certain industries. Icke is probably one of the last person I should have mentioned but he does actually know what he is talking about when it comes to vaccines. If you knew anything about paid-disinfo you would understand that he backs up his reptilian theories with disinfo, offered book deals to throw out random theories such as the alien agenda, etc.. All of this is tools to further confuse those who seek truth. "When the gov't can say we can do what we want to you body... you are owned, you are a cow or a steer or a pig or a duck, youre an animal, it's the last right you have, the right to your body and what goes in it. And no one can force to any ideology or bogus science or big pharma, which it's big bucks backing these sellout politicians that are all on their payrolls. " -Alan Watt
Sick people mean they make more money treating the sickness, rather than preventing it. If prevention made more money - it would be that no one got sick in the first place. Sort of like homelessness. If building homeless people houses made money for an industry - there would be no homeless. Same goes for fishermen. If everyone knew how to fish, there would be none. However, thanks to economics in that situation, some good does come about. Profit can be good, or it can be damnable depending on how you get it. In the U.S. there are three major lobbies in congress. The Military Industrial lobby, the Automaker Industrial lobby, and of course, the largest, the Pharmaceutical Industry lobby. The MI lobby builds things to kill people, and perpetual war keeps this stuff in demand. The Automakers make shitty cars (Ford, I am talking about you. And you too Chrysler and GM) but get bailed out - because they provide "jabs". Finally there is big Pharma - the largest of the three in terms of profit and services provided - and let's be honest here, sick people = money. So, we reward them for making people sick by, well, passing legislation to promote more medication. They're a bigger contributor to our congress as well, and it is why you don't see Pharma companies screaming "Get off your lazy asses and exercise you fat bastards!" Instead, they have a drug for that, your hair loss, your limp schlong and your gray hair. Many medicines are great - but if you want to take a look at others, they seem frivolous. Now, when it comes to one disease, this is where many make their boon. Vaccines and Cancer. Cancer, being a prolonged illness that requires a hell of a lot of industries and manufacturing, of course, makes the most money in the long term. What if that vaccine you take, due to preservatives, slightly raises your risk of cancer. They'll say the risk is minimal - but if it increases the chance by even the tiniest amount, it means more future customers for cancer clinics in the long run after millions of vaccinations. That means, like mammograms or xrays, your have a slightly higher chance of cancer. Its only a few tenths of a percentage point - but when you add to that about a billion people, that's a few hundred thousand customers. Now, add up multiple xrays, mammograms, vaccines, bad food, fat, etc, and you end up with millions of customers. There is no incentive not to stop these kinds of things. The FDA - controlled mind you, and lobbied just the same - sets minimum amounts which are followed... but even a minimum amount of preservative or what-have-you that can raise the risk of cancer, still raises the risk of cancer. They certainly would never outright just start handing out uranium dusted cupcakes... but tiny bits of contaminants within the limits along with preservatives in vaccines and radiation from xrays... and you have enough to keep the business booming.
greddy4u, you sound like a broken record. i cant remember how many times i have heard the same rhetoric parroted by conspiracy nuts. is the point really than the world is run by people who make medicine? Really? they are the evil overlords? (not the shape shifting reptiles like david "i'm jesus" icke thinks?) Of course your paranoia conveniently neglects to remember the diseases that have been completely eradicated because of modern medicine which would have done a perfectly good job of keeping us sick on their own without the need for these overlords to spend time and money creating new diseases. What you are suggesting is that one day big-pharma, as i assume you people call them (lol jackuul actually called them that), eradicate a disease and the next day create a new one to keep us sick. It doesn't make any sense. Jackuul, are you saying x rays and mammograms are a bad thing which we should get rid off? You seem to be, like conspiracy believers usually do, just making misleading points and citing misleading numbers and hoping people come to the same flawed conclusion that you did. Like with anything, doing it increases the risk of something. But the benefits outweigh the risk by a factor of a billion. You only have to look at life expectancy and disease survival rates to see that modern medicine has vastly improved our quality of life. Do people make money out of medicine? of course they do. it's a service. But that doesn't mean it's a bad thing and it certainly doesn't mean they are our "global Illuminati shape shifting reptilian over lords". I expected more from you jackuul.
1. I dont think so.. but if it gets, only 10% people get worst hit due to this virus and become critical.. 2. It's non sense.. Its a type of virus.. Virus is more fast than human beings.. It tries to adapt to the host (A recent case was that, a patient stopped to take tamiflu dosage and after a day or two the virus got immune to that tablet he died of swine flu. This is the best example to show how the virus adapts itself).. Our genes would take 100 years to adapt a particular type of immunity towards a particular strand.. 3. As i said.. only 10% gets really sick and die.. while some of them get cured normally.. It depends on immunity.. 4. Its getting often this generation.. however have to refer and tell.. 5. Nope, this virus is a combination of swine, human & bird flu virus.. so its really difficult for doctors.. A considerable amount of people die out of this virus with out having a high fever itself.. 6. Yup.. Tamiflu contains Phospate.. so it can control the multiplication of virus to some extent, but, by the end, it all depends on immunity..
You can expect all you want, but more unnecessary procedures involving X-rays and mammograms rather than using MRI and Ultrasound are done day after day. I had to have multiple X-rays down on my leg before they finally said "We're going to do an MRI" when if they had done the MRI, they would have known right away whether I had broken a part of the patella. Funny part? The doctor knew it was likely to not show up on an X-ray and had me go twice anyways. It was the cartilage, and they thought possibly the ligament... but they wanted to rule out that third option even though the MRI would have shown it anyways. As for mammograms my mother actually is the one that taught me about that - since well, being a male and all, I had nary a reason to research it. Basically they can do thermography instead, but don't. Mammograms actually miss a lot of things compared to other methods, and are often misread by doctors since they compare it to the last one. If you already had something but it appeared on the last ones, they may not notice pretty much. If you read carefully, I stated that the risk increases were in the .0x of a percentage range, but that an accumulation always increases that beyond the .0x. Additionally done to a billion people, the cancer industry won't lose out. One other thing is smoking of course, but those folks knew what they got into and as such, I show no sympathy or other expectation than cancer or other ailments that benefit the pharmaceutical industry - I mean, they hid the results of tobacco and tumors for years before they finally were sued successfully. A blind faith in medicine is not a good thing, just as a blind faith in a fairygodman is not, or a faith in the government it not. Conspiracies do happen, but this is less of a conspiracy and more of a 'why fix it if it makes us money?' situation where the truth is much simpler. You know that conspiracies are big in the 'give money or go to hell' schemes of many cults, and that they do happen in government (hello blackwater!) so why would you hold a major industry that makes trillions any different? Just in this case, the conspiracy is in plain sight because it never started out as one - it just became what it is. Sick people turn a profit when all you do is treat them, and not prevent their sicknesses in the first place.
Jackuul, the difference between x-ray and MRI scans means x-rays are generally better when looking at bones and MRI is better when looking at soft tissue. that's not to say either can't do both jobs, but generally speaking x-rays produce a better image when looking for bone damage and MRI is better when looking for changes in soft tissue. the reason they gave you an x-ray first is because it's generally better suited to the job, not because it benefits producers of cancer drugs if hospitals bump up the number of people with cancer by exposing them to radiation. The reason you received both was because receiving both would be the best way to determine if you had bone damage or soft tissue damage. You agree that determining this is important, right? What is odd though is that you went to hospital and didn't stay at home, ya know, what with these doctors being the global elite intent of giving you cancer and all. We are very much in the early stages of being able to look in to the body with any degree of accuracy without cutting it open, but we are getting there and as time goes on more reliable and safe methods will emerge and older, less accurate methods which carry with them a risk will be discarded. There is no denying that. But it just doesn't make sense to assume that the medical industry has a secret agenda to make you sick under the pretence of making you well. In fact, it's downright shameful, disrespectful and ungrateful to suggest anything of the sort. I know a number of people who work as medical professionals, i know many nurses (ex girlfriends mostly), a surgeon, a paramedic and a virologist and you'd frankly get a punch on the nose for suggesting they have a secret agenda to keep people sick or anything but a consuming desire to help people and advance human understanding.
Where did I state the doctors were looking to help the industry of Pharmaceuticals? However, with the injury I had, the doctor stated they pretty much knew it was only going to show up in an MRI - but did two X-rays anyways. That's where I have my problem with it. If you think you broke a bone, that is fine. However having X-rays done in duplicate is not exactly the most endearing way of going about soft tissue damage you pretty much know you already have. As for mammograms, did you read what I said? How do you justify a yearly X-ray when there are better methods that do not use radiation? As for your doctor friends, I would no doubt be within my legal right to sue if they assaulted me. Additionally, your medical system there is a bit different than our here. Ours works for the biggest profit 0 and pharmaceutical companies have many practitioners by the metaphorical balls - able to tell them what they can use - and of course insurance companies, and has been so for years. I have had some great doctors who actually say as much, and other not so great doctors that stayed true to the company lines (and often times I would hear contradictory things from different doctors...). Best doctor I had was one that gave me a bunch of sample packets of an antibiotic for an ear infection because he knew the one he was supposed to prescribe would likely do nothing for me - the sample which he gave in a sufficient amount totally knocked out the infection. Doctors for the most pare are on the patient's side... but the companies that can say what you can and can't have are usually not. England's system is a bit different from our own looking at what I have read.
Actually I never said anything about big pharma creating new diseases, quit making up statements please. I'm done debating with you, you're mind is obviously still conditioned to all the propaganda that has been spoon fed to you throughout your life. I also never said big-pharma controls us or are our overlords. There is no single controller over us but there is a very small percentage of the population with a great amount of power over monetary policy (see federal reserve banking system, IMF banks), who many involved have also FOUNDED educational systems, publically lobby for politicians who support less freedom/rights/personal liberty (see Jay Rockefeller in congress) who's family is the #1 largest beneficiary from the federal reserve system. His family has openly stated very evil things in their memoirs, autobiographies as well, they show wide support for less freedom, rfid chips, no internet for public, forced vaccinations, just for a small example. Now you see what they have done with your country that you live in, surrounded by kings and queens still who you obey orders from. You have the UN already formed, americas soon to be formed very soon, it's only going to continue over time while people are too busy watching american idol and becoming brainwashed with corrupt news to get them an altered reality. You have this idea that people who seek the truth are conspiracy nuts, conspiracy nuts are those who push alien agendas and crop circles. They have bought into the fairy-tale theories that have been created to make people such as yourself make such comments as conspiracy nuts. Anyways, continue on living blindly to the facts... Hopefully it will hit you one day soon, the first step is opening your mind with caution and considering everything that is backed up by facts. Of course this means you will have to look beyond your school books that have cut and paste information to adjust peoples perspective on certain events. Have fun living in your socialist nation run by kings. You're so blind to even your leaders, who live on golden fleeces and wipe their ass with handmade linens that cost more than your vehicle. Good luck to you
You have a problem with doctors being thorough and not going on gut instinct? really? "pretty much" knowing something is insufficient when making a diagnosis. x-rays from multiple angles/exposures and an MRI scan is required if a reliable diagnosis can't be determined from one or the other. If the prognosis is the difference between putting the leg in a cast or doing surgery on a ruptured ligament then you have to be certain. Not just do one xray, have a guess then give them an asprin. Because being exposed to low level xrays once a year pose an insignificant risk. It's the same as saying "how can you justify driving your children to school when there are better, safer methods". Risks are calculated, and neither driving children to school or having the occasional xray, while do pose some risk, pose a risk so small that it's considered acceptable.
i dont know who david icke is, but if he thinks he's jesus why's his name david lol But I do know you can look up gulf war syndrome and GBS from swine flu 1976 propaganda and see that the ingredients are really not too good at all apparently, even google swine flu conference PDF, talking about morgue operations, but that's no on the news, gotta find it yourself, it's on youtube as well.