Federal Appeals Court allows suit against company that hires illegals

This is fairly big news. The supreme court got this case and sent it back to the appeals court so they could clarify if this company could be considered an 'enterprise', which is the basis of Rico. Apparently the Appeals agree that they can be, so the law suit may go to trial.... and possibly appealed to the supreme court.

But given the logic of what it's gone through, this will likely be a pivotal moment in the history of immigration enforcement...and it seems completely under the radar. If the supreme court doesn't reverse the opinion of the appeals court, it will set precedence for sueing those whom hire illegal immigrants. The Supreme court doesn't often reverse appeals...percentage wise.

When applying Rico, it would be financially crippling to businesses whom get caught hiring illegals....so the end result is a possible true enforcement of immigration law via the courts/lawyers.

http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/paperchase/2006/09/federal-appeals-court-allows-rico-suit.php

What do you think?

 

I think the only way to stop the illegal immigration is to fine ALL employers of them very heavily.

If I were in charge it would be 10K per day per employee. That would apply for all businesses and individuals. Dry up the work source and they will stay at home.

 

I haven't followed the case, but it looks like the Supreme Court denied Writ of Certiorari (in other words, we are not interested in the case).

In the case the S.C. cited, they already decided that a company can't bring suit against a competitor under the R.I.C.O. act.

I've only spent 3 minutes looking at this, but that's how it looked to me. The S.C. is basically saying that they've already ruled on a similar case and to go back and look over your case again.

 

Rick, of course you don't have to answer this - but, sincerely, what is your principal concern with illegal immigrants into the United States?

 

Much like the concern that Mexico should have had when it allowed a liberal policy with their immigration to Texas. Texas was fairly vacant, and Mexico decided that it would allow further immigration in Texas for white settlers. The numbers grew to fairly huge numbers, and the settlers grew unsatisfied with the governing of Mexico....so they broke-off from Mexico.

Being that Polk (the president) of US wanted the rest of the west, he allied himself with Texas, and allowed them to join the states in order for him to war with Mexico.

Not that I see illegal immigrants wanting to go back to Mexico's governing, but I believe like the civil wars of all the past...if you infuse two different cultures together, with separate interests....the conflicts will divide the communities and eventually lead to them breaking apart. America is all about processing values. First generation people usually carry the same ideals they had in their past country....as generations pass they usually have some form assimilition and respect of US law.

America's foundation depends on the 'reasoning' of it's voting population. Big businesses (e.g Banks) are finding their interests are in growing illegal immigrant populations. Many businesses fund the extension of immigration policies beyond reasonable levels, and they fail to understand the political ramification of converting a country from one political perspective to the next.

I'm just worried that this movement may lead to physical conflicts due to huge changes in the political landscape. When I look at the legislation that is offered by prodominately democrats and senate republican leaders, I see the end of America.

Estimates of the (pro-amnesty) legislation would allow 100 million new immigrants in 20 years...mostly from latin america. An increase in a third of our population (and almost of all them uneducated individuals). That is what they wanted. This would wildly change the politics of America to whatever the political perspective of the immigrant is, in a very short period of time.

I'm thinking of the praticality, safety, and idealism of America...I don't think it would survive such a change.

 

I live in Arizona which has a large number of people from mexico here. I really respect them, the ones I have come in contact with are so hard working and motivated to create a better life for themselves. Some companies should get fines though because they hire illegals specifically to take advantage of them. They can get them to do back breaking work for a 10-12 hour day and only pay them $20 a day! But I think the mexican people would be a great addition to the US, they are good people. I wish they would all get amnesty.I would give America more credit than you are. The only people in America that are not immigrants is the American indians. All other people came by immigrating from other countries. My grandmother fearing persecution escaped europe in ww2, US welcomed her...Do you know how loyal that made her all of her life? She never stopped singing the praises of how lucky we were to be in US and was a very dedicated citizen. What is that saying about Give me your weak, your weary, your huddled masses etc etc

 

So are a billion asians, should we give them favors as well?

Simply because they're good people doesn't mean we just ignore laws or understand the rather smart reasoning behind them.

That's an overemphasis. Most employees pay a 1/2-3/4 of what they'd normally pay workers.

Not all of them. We have far more deaths of Americans on the border from mexican drug dealers (or other morons) than soldier deaths in Iraq. My friends brother is illegal, and is in jail for drugs and murder....they're not all good.

Fortunately he came legally, and he's the medical field.

Sort of like one the 93' world trade bombers...DHS (Dep of homeland Security) could hardly do the back checks they do now, much less keep up with all the people that would come-in virtue of amnesty.

And look at their 'liberal' policy on immigration...everyone dies. Yet another point in history to make my point.

American Indians did immigrate as well, so it's all a useless arguement of whose here first. We have practical deal with the situation of the current.

I suppose you didn't see the marches where there were people with signs saying 'europeans get off our land'. I saw shitloads of that, till the PR patrol came-in.

The difference was your grandmother came lawfully,...and some of these cat don't give a shit about this country.

I always hear this cliche. It's a gift from france and the poem on it was written by a socialists. France had their own tired, weak, and weary...and they all killed each other like animals in their revolution...and they even still whine that their socialist ideals are giving way to the practical world.

 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15123111/

 

All this immigration scare is going to accomplish is the destruction of the American agricultural industry and the moving of it overseas like all of our other industries.

 

Yeah , vote for fryman!!!

 

yeah, thos agro business should be able to break the law and get slave labor, instead of having to pay a real wage to legal citizens like every other business in America

 

There should be no laws governing private contracts in a free society.

 

so child labor should be legal? people should be able to hire down syndrome people and pay them in oreos? if they can?

 

OK. We have a different view, essentially, of two things.

The Civil War did not happen as a "clash of cultures." It happened as it has happened in numerous "modernizing" countries elsewhere - as a clash between entrenched, agrarian interests, and a newly mobilizing industrial elite. In other words, an inevitable result of industrialization as it marched headlong into conflict with large, rural/landed economic centers of power. The "North" v. "South" may as well have been "East" v. "West," with the same divisions of power and economic structures on the ground.

Your other issue - of a sweeping wave of immigrant culture upsetting some kind of national paradigm (what that is, I'd place money on, is hard to say), in short order - is one that doesn't scare me into seeking some kind of redress. I'm originally from Southern California. As I have said, I have known many, many Central and South Americans, and with few exceptions, I have known them to be as hardworking and honorable a lot as one could wish for among newly arriving immigrants.

In them, I don't see any difference from people who swept to our country as a result, say, of the Potato Famine, or Italian immigrants settling into New York to help make it what it is today. To be frightened by the contributions South and Central Americans may come to make speaks to something I don't adhere to.

 

How about the fact that the corps that give these illegals jobs don't give them medical benefits and us tax payers foot the bill for that and many other social programs?

The republicans scream liberal this and that all the time and how much they hate liberal social programs.

But they are more then willing to use the liberal social programs to support the illegal employees of their money making big business at the expense of tax payers throught liberal social programs.

That is not free trade nor a private contract. It's a fleecing of amerca, a scam!

 

The Republican answer to that is that illegals should not be eligible for social programs.

The Libertarian answer, to which I subscribe, is that no one should be eligible for social programs.

 

Nice dance. But what do you think of the fact that conservatives are expoliting this loop hole and using you to support them via corporate welfare?

Exploting this directly enables the corps to grow. The illegals and the amercan public are exploited as a result.

I don't buy this bullshit that these folks do jobs americans don't want. Show me an american that don't want a job and I'll show you a dead beat.

If they are too good for a job and won't take it, two things can happen...

1) Corps will be forced to pay a fair wage if they can't hire illegals or the unemployment rate goes up exposing conservative hypocracy.

2) Illegals will go home because americans will be willing to work and social programs will need smaller bugets enabling those now fairly paid americans to pay their own way and because we will not have to support illegals so corps can profit. All of our pay checks can then be bigger since we won't need to support social programs by paying high taxes.

 

Oh my, it seems as if I personally know a million of those.

Most of them will take jobs, but they won't work.

 

if the jobs paid a decent wage, people would work hard at them

really when people say illegals are "hard" workers , this is code for will work for cheap

If picking fruit paid $100 an hour , there would be a lot of legal americans, working "hard" at those jobs

 

Not the guys I know. They get IT jobs at $100k/yr and then play on the 'net all day until they quit because they don't want to go to the office.

Me, I do the same -- but I'm self-employed.