Funny thing, in the body of my post I never state that god created the universe. In my conclusion, I do state that I believe he does but in regards to the context of my posts body I never state that god created the universe. All dieties aside, and from a purely scientific standpoint I simply ask: what is the origin of matter? Again, a scientific answer will suffice
ah my friend... I don't want to go into deep religious discussion with you. But generally I believe in god, cause I don't want to believe that I'm an animal - does that sound good for you? I'm also afraid of death and believing in eternal life kinda makes it easier for me? I just believe cause it makes my life easier. on the other hand, we are made of all basic elements of the universe - maybe we are true intellect, maybe we are the universe trying to understand itself... sometimes I fancy idea of being supreme intellect in the whole universe... I mean humanity not myself kinda sounded like that I'm sleepy. nvmind.
Point one (God's existence) is the most important one by far. Obviously we're not going to get anywhere with this thread other than to reinforce our positions. Just keep your heart open. I was 25 before I fully embraced my faith personally. 39 years later it is still strong in my heart. And I think I'm a reasonably "thoughtful" person.
There is nothing wrong with having faith or believing in god. It just isn't something for me. I hope we can all remain civil here and in the end simply agree to disagree.
Yes you are correct but it goes both ways bud - not being able to scientifically prove something does not make it false. Its funny how you can see the logic one way, but not the other.
In the scientific world you must prove something proposed via a thesis and be able to repeat the experiment with the same result. The burden of proof lies in the person proposing the belief in god, not the other way around. I may not have all of the answers today, but science is discovering new things every day. I would rather be a free thinker that questions life and existence over someone that is told a fairytale story and buys it as fact.
Questioning life and all it's answers is a good and healthy way of living. To say that God does not exist is not questioning anything at all. And by the way science does not explain everything in this world nor does it claim to. I can certainly understand someone who questions the existence of God, but not someone who denies it altogether.
You say it's the blind leading the blind? Perhaps you are the one that is blind 1EightT. You can argue all you want about scientific theories but that's all they are, theories. The Bible was around long before any real scientists, and that's what I believe right. There is no scientific theory that can disprove what I feel in my heart. I feel like the blind are the ones who need "proof." People that need PROOF spend all their life trying to disprove the TRUTH. It's sad really. You put so much effort into not believing the Bible and trying to make the believers feel like they are silly or stupid for believing it, that you miss out on the blessings that can be provided from believing. But the problem with discussing this subject with someone in the mindset that you are in is that you are set in your theories, and I am set in my beliefs. This will be debated till the second coming of Christ, and then you will have the proof that you and so many people feel they need.
"PR 30:5 Every word of God proves true. 1KI 22:23, 2CH 18:22, JE 4:10, JE 20:7, EZ 14:9 God deceives some of the prophets. JE 8:8 The scribes falsify the word. 2TH 2:11-12 God deceives the wicked (to be able to condemn them). (Note: Every word of God cannot prove true if God deceives anyone at all; the Bible cannot be trusted if the scribes falsify the word. The first reference is mutually exclusive with the other three. Thus, the Bible cannot be the perfect work of a perfect and loving God since one or more of the above references is obviously untrue. Note also: Some versions use the word "persuade" rather than "deceives." The context makes clear, however, that deception is involved.)" Has anyone here not ever been deceived for their own good? I know I have, and sometimes it is for the best. God is the all-knowing, so he did this for their own good. The bible also says that God loves everyone, but you seemed to have forgot to point that out in your post. "MT 16:28, MK 9:1, LK 9:27 Jesus says that some of his listeners will not taste death before he comes again in his kingdom. This was said almost 2000 years ago. (Note: This and many other passages indicate that Jesus was to come again in a relatively short period of time and not just "quickly" as present day Biblicists assert. All of his listeners are now dead, yet Jesus has not come again in his kingdom. All of the alleged words of Jesus recorded in the Bible are therefore suspect.)" It would be nice when you make a post like this that you actually post what the scripture says, along with your take on it. The Bible also says that we aren't to know when the Second Coming is. If we did, we would wait till the last minute to do anything for him. You are supposed to live your life the way he wants us to and you wouldn't have to worry about when he's coming back. "MK 16:17-18 A believer can handle snakes or drink poison and not experience any harm. (Note: Many unfortunate believers have died as a result of handling snakes and drinking poison. This kind of assertion negates the Bible as a useful guidebook for life.)" Like the post before, it would be nice if you posted the actual scripture before your thoughts, just to have a real debate on what you are trying to say. As for this thought, God also says to not tempt him. He doesn't say pick up snakes and play with them, he means if you are following him as you should, and something bad happens to you, he will take care of you. He isn't challenging people, and the "Snake Handlers" are doing just that, challenging God. Yes, God will take care of us, but he also gave us common sense. "DT 6:5, MT 22:37, MK 12:30, LK 10:27 Love God. DT 6:13, PS 33:8, 34:9, 111:10, 115:13, 128:1, 147:11, PR 8:13, 16:6, 19:23, 22:4, IS 8:13, LK 12:5, 1PE 2:17 Fear God. 1JN 4:18 There is no fear in love." To correct you on this one, Yes, there is fear in love. If you truly love someone, you should fear them turning their back on you. You should fear upsetting them. God was saying that he is the almighty, and that you should love him, and fear his wrath if you don't. Once again, actually posting the scripture would be a BIG help.
Eight , it is so easy to take stuff out of context. When i have time to go back and research this im 10000000% sure i will disprove every point u made and if so i will bring it to my ex bible study teacher who has crushed atheists in many a debate( i doubt it will come to that). There are many people in this world who will twist the words of teh bible to conform to what they believe in. We can only pray for them , but before i pray i will disprove these points. When im not sure,( as soon as time allows me to ), but this will be a great victory for christians everywhere and thanks to u we probably will end up converting some atheists over to the side of the light. I must say this is a great thread, keep up the good work eight)