Fast linking hurts?

Discussion in 'Link Development' started by Freddy81, Nov 3, 2005.

  1. #1
    I have recently heard that too fast link obtaining is penalized by search engines.
    If it is true, is there any reason for a newly-created website to submit itself everywhere possible?
     
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  2. ServerUnion

    ServerUnion Peon

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    #2
    It is better to throttle the link placement.
     
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  3. Freddy81

    Freddy81 Well-Known Member

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    Did not guess what you mean...
     
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  4. TMAC

    TMAC Active Member

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    #4
    There is no concrete evidence that you get penalized for linking to fast. We have added 500 and more links on various clients sites in less then two months, and seen only positive results in terms of traffic and PR rankings.
    Link building is part of an overall marketing campaign to generate traffic to your site. Getting penalized for trying to get people to visit your site seems a bit extreme.
     
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    Web Gazelle Well-Known Member

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    There has been some speculation that Google and Yahoo will throw up a red flag if you build a ton of links real fast. The thought was that Google may throw a new site into the sandbox. I think the sandbox is just something every new site is going to have to deal with. Yahoo may look at the surge in inbound links as artificial link building and de-index your site. Hope this helps answer your question.
     
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    lorien1973 Notable Member

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    The effect of the links are probably tapered off or something, but its illogical to penalize fast link growth for many reasons.

    Google isn't the arbiter of how "trendy" something is that would garner links. I think that if you get tons of links...no links for a while..then get tons again it might be something they'd look at.

    Or if all your new links were sitewide links on non-relevant sites or something.
     
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    adacprogramming Well-Known Member

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    #7
    According to the new Google Patent:

    My interpretation of this is that if, in particular a new site, suddenly has a large spike of back-links this will send up a flag to Google. It is best to submit to directories and other methods of getting links in a slow steady manner. You can get more information on this at Topwebsitetips.com
     
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  8. Freddy81

    Freddy81 Well-Known Member

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    That is exactly what I heard. And that means we should not use any submission services, because they perform mass-submit.
     
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  9. TMAC

    TMAC Active Member

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    Everytime google does an update, webmasters go into panic mode. If you have good content, well constructed pages, relevant back links (including one way links form directories), it should not matter at what pace you achieve those links.
    If I can post a link to my client’s sites to abundance of sites that can bring them traffic, then I could care less how google interprets the pace at which I built those links. .
    People should spend less time worrying about how to conform to googles latest "algo", and more time on marketing there sites for their customers.
     
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    Yes, I am hoping there is no penalty for fast linking. If, for example, you create a site that becomes popular quickly, that is not your fault. :)
     
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  11. Freddy81

    Freddy81 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah you're right TMAC, no more stupid questions :D
     
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    natural linking would be included within content. The likely hood of a site getting 10K footer or directory link in a week is pretty low, even if it is a fast growning popular site.
     
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    How would your site become that popular that quickly? You need to get 100s of links real fast to throw up a flag.
     
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    I think a good example of this are site wide links. If all of a sudden 10,000 cached pages from one site all start pointing at you, this might be indicative of trying to influence the search results. What is more likely is that these links are put into a sandbox of sorts with less benefit than normal.
     
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    I think sitewides are what would cause it. Random links on varying sites wouldn't be so suspicious. But buying tons of footer or sitewide links would.
     
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    Good call on the sitewide links. Probably not a good investment for a new site.
     
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    LOL no question is ever stupid.. :)
     
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    #18
    I'm not sure about the "fast" term in your question, but for one of my last websites I managed to get about 500 links for less than a week... Nothing bad happened to that site really - it got PR 6 (was 0) - and that's it... So I suppose speed doesn't matter, it's probably the question about the quality of those links
     
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    you got 500 relevant links pointing to your site in less than a week:confused: are they pointing at just your homepage?
     
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    That was a kind of experiment... Yes, they do point at my homepage. I was just trying to learn whether Google could really ban me for this or do something bad at all. My own experience says "No". Perhaps I was lucky - I don't know ;)
     
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