Fantastic Domain Names Available, but ...

Discussion in 'General Marketing' started by Bizza, Apr 13, 2009.

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    I have actually found over 10 domains out of 85, from 5 specific categories on the list so far (.com's & .net's only) which are keyword (KW) specific and the top domains I found so far have over 10,000 searches per day with competition ranging from just 2(two!) sites only - to 200,000+, when I do an [intitle:"keyword" inanchor:"keyword"] search on google (I picked this up from someone here but I don't know if it is actually showing only my competitors?).

    There's this one particular keyword (which happens to be my #1 ranked keyword/domain on my entire list) and has 135,000 searches pm (or approx. 4,500 searches pd), the CPC ave for the KW is well over $10 ANNNNND the competition is almost ZERO (there's 2 sites there only along with a couple of sponsored ads).

    Here's my top 5 ranked (treated) - keyword specific domains available:
    1. (.net domain, no hyphens) :: 135K searches :: ave CPC $10+ :: Competition: 2 (YES! Just 2!!!)
    2. (.net domain, no hyphens) :: 301K searches :: ave CPC $5+ :: Competition = 2,390
    3. (.com domain, hyphenated) :: 823K searches :: ave CPC $5+ :: Competition = 204,000
    4. (.net domain, hyphenated) :: 110K searches :: ave CPC $10+ :: Competition = 660
    5. (.net domain, hyphenated) :: 1M searches :: ave CPC $1+ :: Competition = 110,000

    What do you think? Should I register the domains based on these figures? What should I do to monetize?

    All help would be highly appreciated. Reps will be added also.

    Thanks in advance gang!:D
     
    Bizza, Apr 13, 2009 IP
  2. Alex_K

    Alex_K Member

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    Huh? How do you determine competition for a domain? And why does that even matter?
    You should probably think about your niche first and figure out exactly what you want to do with it before you buy a bunch of domains based on some search results. Most search results have nothing to do with the real competition...
     
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  3. tanay46

    tanay46 Peon

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    hm, you *might* want to register the first one, install wordpress, get someone to write a couple of articles, build some links and monetze using adsense(since the clicks are so high) and also maybe affiliate marketing. Although the metrics seem to good to be true, if they are, you should definitely reg the first domain, since your talking about easily getting atleast 2k visitors a day, almost immediately.
     
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  4. Bizza

    Bizza Active Member

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    Sure. I am a bit of a 'numbers-person' so I love to analyse. I deterimed the competition based on the number of results shown on google using the code mentioned above. This code is *supposed* to only show real sites with domains/files with this keyword in their tags. This is supposed to give me a metric value of the amount of sites that also promote something using this keyword. I can then work out all sorts of stuff.;)

    Yes, I totally agree with you and I used to have the same thoughts on this approach to marketing. However, after recently being educated on online marketing, money making, niches etc... the key in the end is traffic at minimum cost. This is KING to me now. I have 10 domains (before I was educated alot more on this) and none of them have any traffic value unless I spend alot of time and money, which I'm doing anyway. But there is something easier, better and potentially explosive (monetarily) in my view.

    I just think there are easier ways to do things and not the way we think either. I'm now letting the forces of demand and supply lead me to my niche markets, rather than what I'd like to do, for example. That's why I have changed my tune from "brandability" (hard work) ... to ... "traffic ready" (done!).

    Sorry to lead this out, but I'm new to all this and I see huge potential. I just want to share views and opinions with you all in order to make it easier for others in the same boat as me.

    But thank you very much for your valued help my friend.:D
     
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  5. Bizza

    Bizza Active Member

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    Yeah? Ya reckon I should get the 1st one for sure hey? I'm going to get 10 of them on Thurs (pay day!). If you only knew the keywords, you would freak Tanya! This one (1st) is an absolute GOLDMINE in my opinion. I'll let you all know what the domains were, just to share my experience for all, in case it fails.:confused: but... I highly doubt it!

    BTW Tanya, does it matter if I get the domain for that keyword in .org, .biz, etc or even if it's hyphenated? How does it change the rankings given all conditions were equal for all extentions?

    Thanks again Tanya.:D
     
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  6. Alex_K

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    What I'm trying to understand is, how do you plan to compete with the sites for those highly competitive keywords ($10 CPC) with just a keyword in a domain name? Just because there are thousands of searches for a highly competitive keyword it doesn't mean most of that traffic would be relevant. Traffic does not =$ Relevant traffic =$

    Most authority sites (and I would assume any keyword term that costs $10 per click would be something along the lines of Insurance or Student Loans) have massive backlinks (in 100,000s to their websites) To outrank them in search engines you'd need at least 3 times the amount of backlinks.

    Unless your business model is purely about domain flipping...
     
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  7. Bizza

    Bizza Active Member

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    I don't know either Alex??? Is it about the backlinks really? This is what I'm being told to do. Like I said, I was a "brander" before, but now I'm following advice. Don't know how it all works, but that's why I'm here in the hope to get answers to these mysteries.:) Along the way, I just try my best to get the most out of it by making use of the resources I have.

    btw... what's "domain flipping"?
     
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  8. Alex_K

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    If you want to be anywhere in the top results in Google, yeah, it is all about backlinks. To give you a good example, I'm sure you've heard about the company named Adobe, who hasn't right?

    If you go to Google right now and type in a phrase "Click here" guess which company is going to come up? Yep, Adobe...

    Here is the kicker. Adobe website is NOT really optimized for this phrase, neither is it ANYWHERE in their domain. Adobe has more backlinks for the keyword phrase "Click here" than ANY other website online...

    So, yeah, it IS all about backlinks (from high PR sites)

    Don't get me wrong, domain names could give you a little bit of weight, but not as much as relevant backlinks and highly optimized website content.


    I thought you were one of the people who would buy some domains and hold on to them in order to re-sell them later for a higher price. There is definitely a market in that too. Especially if it's a short easy to remember older domain...
     
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  9. tanay46

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    Hyphens dont really matter imho, however, .com is given pref, then .net so try to keep it to these two. Also, just to make sure, did you use google keyword tool to check search volume? If you did, did you select exact match?
    Also, for competition, type the domain jeywords in google with a quote around them, and see how many results come up. This should give you a better idea of the competiton
    btw, its tanay not tanya
     
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  10. Bizza

    Bizza Active Member

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    I understood all of that except the part on 'how' backlinks contain keywords? I'm a little confused on this part because I have paid LinkMarket a fee for sharing links with high PR sites.

    Currently, I am trying to promote my hosting site swiftwebhostingdotcom and have a directory (/directory/) added to it for listing my reciprocal links and articles. I don't have that many backlinks (with www I have 90 backlinks :: without www I have 110). Most of my recent links are from high PR sites though, thanks to LM's services.

    What I don't know is, do I just link with any site with a high PR, or just link to category related sites? If so, what sites am I supposed to link to besides it having a high PR?

    That's okay matey;) that's quite alright. Now going by what you're saying, I could make up a name like say "Vavalazoo(dot)com" and just brand the heck out of it and add losts of high PR'd backlinks? Say this site was about sunglasses. How do I get free organic traffic based on this and how will it compare to a site that is called "sunglasses(dot)com" given that both sites have equal PR's and content etc (for arguments sake)?

    Naaa. But I do intend on building certain sites to a level where I can get a decent price (or give away for a really good cause) in the future.

    Thanks very much for your opinions and help Alex. :D

    Take care and cheers!
    -Bizza.
     
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  11. Bizza

    Bizza Active Member

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    Thanks Tanay:) Sorry about the confusion. You have a very unique and very cool name. Where's your name from, if you don't mind me asking?

    Awesome. I have read others saying the same. That's good to know. What about those .cc & .ws extns? Some people say they are better than .org's and .info' etc. Would you agree with this view?

    I didn't use the exact match feature. I will do another run later.

    Okay. I'll try this as well and keep you posted on the changes in my research results.

    Thanks again Tanay:)
     
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  12. Alex_K

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    When you create backlinks (say with blog commenting, you'll create anchor text with your highest converting keywords in it) I don't know if you've ever heard of Linkvana. If you're really serious about creating massive backlinks, you might want to look into it. IMO it's a lot better than paying some service like Linkmarket...
    With Linkvana you have control of your content and exact structure of your links.


    Definitely category related sites..



    Since you chose sunglasses example. Go to Google and type in sunglasses You'll notice that sunglasshut.com is first result. However if you scroll a bit lower you'll see a website bettervisionbetterprices.com.

    Here is the breakdown:

    Sunglasshut has been around for over 13 years (Google gives older domains a lot higher value) It has PR5 and 16,651 Backlinks.

    bettervisionbetterprices.com has only been around for about 4 years, has a PR4, and 15,456 Backlinks.

    Keep in mind that the second website doesn't contain the word "sunglasses" "glass" or anything closely related it its domain name.

    The main reason it's on the first page not that much further down is because of its backlinks.
    I guarantee you that if they had about 20,000 backlinks they would outrank sunglasshut in a heartbeat. And considering the fact that they've only been around for the third of the time sunglasshut has, they will take over that first position fairly soon...

    If you'd like to read some indepth information on this whole subject, I'd recommend you taking a look at Brad Callen's SEO guide. PM me your e-mail and I'll hook you up...(if you're interested)
     
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    I think you have really got a goldmine with your first researched domain.

    I would say, donot delay and pick that up immediately. You can anytime flip it for more than your registration fee.
     
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  14. Alex_K

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    Super scientific crystal ball observation...:rolleyes:
     
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    Bizza Active Member

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    Hi Alex,
    They're (Linkvana) pretty expensive Alex. I'm all spent out for now:eek: Maybe in a coupe of months?
    I find LMarket's services are not bad for now, but I still don't get how to choose which sites to link with? This is where I need specific info.

    Yes, but if I were to target say "sunglasses" as my category, aren't I looking to link with sunglass related sites that are in direct competition with me? What's the point in having 2 or 1000 SunGlass Hut's listed on my site, when one most of them could be far stronger/better than the mine? I would loose customers... surely? I don't know, it just doesn't make sense how "Big G" & "Y!" rank websites this way.

    That's very very informative Alex, thanks again matey:)
     
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    Bizza Active Member

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    *** UPDATE ***
    That first ranked domain was taken just days after I posted this thread.:mad: Fancy that ey? Well, the 3rd was also taken, but that's okay... I just found some others that will surely be of interest. I'll keep you posted once I can get some money tobuy all these first. Anyone wanna lend me some money to buy these gems? LOL! Well if you're serious, I can make a deal with you. Just PM me (not a bad idea when I think about it!).
     
    Bizza, Apr 30, 2009 IP