Faith - Because the bullets are real. Your god is not.

Why do religious people, especially those who believe in a divine plan and the power of prayer, take as many precautions as the rest of us?

Why, if there is a plan and god answers prayers, do they vaccinate their children, wear seat belts and take out home insurance?

Why are hospitals full of many sick religious people and churches none?

When it comes down to it, when it really matters, they don't actually believe in this stuff any more than i do. They just think it makes them more righteous if they pretend to believe it. Even the pope thinks bullet proof glass is more effective than his god. The bullets are real, your god is not.

 

Are you actually being serious? I am amused at your mentality.

For your information, God answers true prayers but we are not in a position to challenge God.
The perfect lesson that Jesus showed us was when satan brought Jesus to to the highest part of the temple and told him to jump off. He said that angels would come and lift him up so that he wouldn't be hurt- as was foretold in the bible Psalm 91, "For He shall give His angels charge over you to keep you in all your ways. In their hands they shall bear you up, lest you dash your foot against a stone."

What did Jesus say? "You shall not tempt the Lord your God".

Faith is powerful and every word in the bible is true and proves it self if required. We Christians do not need to prove anything to ourselves because we know our savior.

Let me give you a historical instance that occurred that you most likely do not know about.

In Matthew, 17:20: "If you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to the mountain, Move from here to there, and it will move, nothing will be impossible for you".

You will probably read this and think wow... what a bunch of non-sense. How can a mountain physically move with faith? It is beyond science, human conscious, and anything you could imagine.

Well, Guess what, it is not beyond God. Prove? It already happened.

Read more about Almokattam mountain in Egypt.

Extract:
In one of those meetings in which Pope Abram and a Jew named Jacob Ibn Killis were present, the Pope got the upper hand in the debate. Plotting to take revenge, Ibn Killis quoted the verse where the Lord Jesus said in Mt 17:20: "If you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to the mountain, Move from here to there, and it will move, nothing will be impossible for you" and demanded him to prove that his religion is right by means of this. The Caliph saw in this an opportunity to remove the mountain that was spoiling his view.

At the same time, if the Christians proved unable to perform this miracle, than it would be proof that the religion of the Christians was wrong and he would be finished with them, or so goes the Legend. And so, after three days of prayers and fasts by the people throughout the land of Egypt, Simon was chosen to move the Mokattam Mountain. It is said that a great earthquake swept over the mountain. Each time the people stood up to worship, the mountain was thrust up and the sun would be seen from under it.
When the people sat down, the mountain thrust down. This was repeated three times. Afterwards, the Caliph was racked with fear and embraced the Pope warmly and this was a new beginning for a good friendship between them.

Ask any Egyptian about this Miraculous event and nobody can deny it.

Revelation 3:20: "Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will fellowship with him, and he with me".

Love in Christ,

 

If you could answer using your own brain instead of a bible site and the copy/paste function of your computer id be grateful. It wasn't a bible class i was after, it was an answer to why, if you believe in a divine plan and the power of prayer, do your actions suggest otherwise. All you done is paste extracts from the bible that contain the word prayer.

Or have you entirely given up thinking for yourself now?

 

Do not embarrass yourself. That was an Egyptian Tourism site. Go to wiki or use google if you don't trust the link. I do not rely my information from websites. These events are documented in historical books.

Now, you've faced the facts, I know you won't be able to answer me. You're not ready yet but I think you're the one who needs to put his brain into action.

 

They aren't documented in history books. Even your source (a tourism site LOL) calls it a "legend".

If you believe in a divine plan and the power of prayer, why do you go to hospital when you are sick, insure your home and vaccinate your children. It's a simple question, though i can imagine why it's a difficult one for you to answer. Exposed as a hypocrite much?

 

Read above or you still don't understand an argument?

We are not in position to challenge God. Should I just cross the highway to prove to you or someone else that God will save me?
True Christians are God's sons and daughters living in human bodies. Humans are vulnerable to diseases and death. That is the way it is. It is not the body that we care most about because eventually it will return to where it came from. We concentrate on our eternal goal and the fulfillment of the soul.

Are you still denying the historical event witnessed by thousands? That is up to you. I don't mean to brag but You clearly do not know more about this stuff than I do. If you're still interested, you can search dozens of historical books, well authorized, documented by many Egyptian scholars.

God bless,

 

I'm not asking about "challenging god". I'm asking if you believe in a divine plan and/or the power of prayer why do you go to hospital when you are sick, insure your home and vaccinate your children. Read the question carefully. I understand it's probably easier for you to imagine that i have asked something else and then post a bunch of irrelevant shit from either the bible or a tourist site, but i'm not going to get a sufficient answer by you doing that.

 

Please stop. You have embarrassed yourself enough. Do we have to go around in circles? You're basically asking the same question in different ways.

 

Some are demanding of God and God is like whatever, i'm God i can do what i want. and he or she can.
We are supposed to fear God.
there are those that lose faith in God when a tragedy happens to them. They shouldn't because we don't know what God is up to.
we were given free will from God but that includes the crazy people out there. Instead of seeing it as a lack of faith from the pope it is the sin of the crazy that wants to shoot him that is in focus.

 

So you don't believe in a "divine plan" then, eric?

Because if you believe in either a divine plane (where everything happens for a reason) or the power of prayer (that if you have enough faith you can essentially will something to happen) what reason could you have for vaccinating your children, insuring your home or seeking medical treatment?

It seems the people responding to this thread are doing their best to get out of actually answering the simple question i put directly to them.

 

I suspect the 2" of bulletproof glass are to defend the man from rabid atheists....

 

Or to protect 12 year old boys from him.

 

The answer is always the same when you have none: God acts in mysterious ways...
Meaning: I have no clue because I'm a dumbo...I believe because I have to...

 

we don't know what the divine plan is.

ever since adam and eve ate the forbidden fruit mankind has had knowledge and we demonstrate it with science and God allows things like vaccines and seeking medical treatment because we have the knowledge to do so.

insuring a home is a good idea because we have the knowledge to protect ourselves.

 

why do christians always answer questions from biblical/evangelic arguments and resort to adam an eve and such stories as they were facts? we all know adam and eve and the damned apple didn't exist and that most (or all) stories told in both testaments are legends/tales/inventions or at best, highly distorted representations of maybe true events. so grow up and not use them to support your silly claims although you may be left with nothing to say

 

Not what i asked...... Do you believe in a divine plan or not?

What is wrong with you people? Is seem to get anything even resembling an answer to our questions we have to ask you it over and over again and literally drag it out of you. Have you any idea what that does to the credibility of your argument when you are unable to even answer simple questions written in plain English?

 

if there is one we don't know what it is and I haven't focused on it so i don't believe in a divine plan but i won't be surprised if there is one.

 

Speaking for others. This is why it is FAITH. It is not a fact, nor is it not. It is a belief and will always be one, until the end. We will see, and I don't want to argue, either. I don't understand why it's NOT OK for someone to have a belief, whether it be a fact or not. I don't even know what I am, religious wise, but this is just like any other type of belief, or life choice. You don't always have to be on offense. Leave the ones whom have a faith to themselves, because they've already decided to have a belief in SOMETHING.

(Go ahead, criticize my capitalization while you're at it, might as well.)

 

he just try to save himself for people!! do you remember how much time took till see white smoke above Vatican?

just see how many people gathered to see him from glasses! and image how many people pay money to him regularly.

 

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I am.