Expert: "Iran Incapable of Building Nuclear Bomb"

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    http://www.mosnews.com/news/2006/02/01/iranunable.shtml

    Iran Incapable of Building Nuclear Bomb — Russian Expert

    Iran is not capable of building its own nuclear weapons, the former head of a nuclear power plant and current regional leader in southern Russia said Wednesday.

    “In reality, the U.S. is provoking Iran, accusing it of aiming, along with the implementation of its peaceful nuclear programs, to create its own nuclear weapons,” Governor of the Saratov Region Pavel Ipatov was quoted by RIA Novosti as saying.

    Ipatov, who was head the Balakovo power plant for almost 20 years, said that currently, in view of the methods in place for controlling the proliferation of nuclear weapons, “Iran is in no state to create a nuclear bomb secretly.”

    The United States, along with the trio of European negotiating with Iran (Great Britain, France and Germany), are employing “double standards” in accusing Iran of attempting to create nuclear weapons, and this greatly complicates the situation the country, he said.

    If Iran’s nuclear file is referred to the UN Security Council, Russia and China, both veto-wielding permanent members, could block resolutions on Iran, the governor said.

    Ipatov also said that although Iran had adopted an “unconstructive position,” he hoped Russia and China would be able to reach an agreement with the country on creating a peaceful joint project to enrich uranium for Iran on Russia’s territory.
     
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  2. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    My prediction:
    The major american media will never cover this (or other actual experts who agree with him) and will repeatedly cover biased and paid off government "experts" that Iran is building nukes.

    And course Bush will be starting his third war on fake intelligence and deception - quite the accomplishments!
     
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    iatbm Prominent Member

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    Lets not be naive ... afcourse they can build nuclear weapons. They can not build it today on 3. february .... but they will sure build it in next couple of years....
     
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  4. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    Yes, lets not be naive, I'm sure a 20 year experienced professional knows more than you.

    Where's your credentials on making this statement? "they will sure build it in next couple of years" :rolleyes:
     
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    Edz Peon

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    Yo-yo wrote:
    Yo-yo think about this scenario:

    Iran paying (bribing...probably spelled wrong ;) ) for the oppinion of this Expert so that it would look better for them to portrait themself to only use nuclear power for peacefull purposes and not for making Nuclear warheads?

    It's very welknown that these kind of Experts or the ones working with Nuclear energy make peanuts moneywise in Russia and that corruption is a everyday occurence in Russia in all layers of society...political as well.

    I have seen you saying on numerous occassions that Bush and other govermental voices are/is/was telling al kinds of stories to let the public believe what they want to believe...

    Wouldn't there be a possibility that Ahmedinijad or the people that stand behind him would do the same?

    Would it not be naive to think they (Iran) are not being able to play dirty tricks as well?
     
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  6. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    I can see that happening, just like I can see the U.S. paying "experts" as well.
     
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  7. Edz

    Edz Peon

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    Well, there you go Yo-yo,

    Above statement by you is kind of misplaced then ;) since you don't know if this ''professional'' is telling the truth just like the ''professionals'' of the U.S.

    Don't let tunnelvision get to you as you made it appear that the russian expert was telling something that holds more truth then the story of the U.S. Experts ;)
     
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    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    The worst part edz, is you can't take anybodies word for it... I don't trust either side.
     
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  9. Edz

    Edz Peon

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    True, i find it also frustrating when you start to analyze and think about it...about all kinds of stuff that is going on and that has happend.

    Troublesome to say the least :cool:
     
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    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    The plans from Pakistans Kahn are likely the same as they used to build their nukes. You think they would inform Russia about that?
    IAEA found highly enriched nuclear traces during their inspections, this kind of material used for nukes.
    The words out of the mouth of their leader telling the rest. Nobody has layed this words in his mouth.
    Would you consider that harmless?
     
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    iatbm Prominent Member

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    well i am not listening experts i listen what iranian president is saying !
    and i know i little more about history than that 20 year proffesional i am sure of that :) and by listetning to that president and my knowledge of history i came to conclusion iran is sure capable of making nuclear weapons.... like i said not today ... but if they want to, they sure can in a couple of years, like any other country can. We are in 21st century and there are a lot of people capable of making nuclear weapon :) wake up
     
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    OK, there are a few points that I think need raising.

    Firstly, what makes you think this guy is a nuclear expert? He was "head (of) the Balakovo power plant for almost 20 years", which suggests he is a manager rather than a technical expert. Sure, he will have had some technical knowledge, and will have picked up more during the job, but that hardly makes him an "expert".

    Secondly, even if he has become an expert, he is now an expert in nuclear power - not nuclear weapons. Someone that ran a nuclear weapons lab for 20 years would be in a much better position to comment.

    Lastly, when the USA first developed an atomic bomb it took a number of brilliant scientists a number of years to do so. Since then many of the problems solved by these scientists have become common knowledge (I even studied some of them at University and it wasn't a physics course!). The understanding of nuclear physics has also grown considerably in the last sixty years so that the average physics graduate these days probably knows as much about the subject as the American "experts" in the 1940s. Add to this the fact that there are a number of "secrets" that make bomb making easier and make the bombs better, and these have been the subject of all sorts of spying and the like for many decades - many current holders of these secrets are now in a situation where enough money can buy almost anything.

    I don't doubt that Iran could build a nuclear bomb in the next few years.

    Who has the right to tell them that they are not allowed to do so? How did these people get that right?

    Almost all of the people that think that they have the right to tell other countries not to build nuclear weapons have them themselves and wouldn't accept anyone telling them they should get rid of them!

    Oh, and by the way; that "expert" didn't actually say that Iran couldn't build a nuclear weapon, he said that they couldn't do so "secretly".
     
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    It would not be the best of interest for the world to allow a country that is ruled by a President that denies holocaust ever happend and that actually blunt out says Israel needs to be wiped out of the face of the earth!

    The world has the right to deny Iran for building nuclear bombs! and if nuclear energy is something that automaticly is being denied because of no other available option then so be it!

    They did not engage on the offers of help from Russia and North-Korea to deploy nuclear energy in iran for peacefull purposes and therefor instead they want to continue on their own...this is a clear indication that they also want to build nuclear bombs which is not the best thing to have for a country with people in the iranian goverment with the kind of ideoligy ahmedinijad has.
     
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    I agree. In fact, I think this whole issue of threatening Iran is a trick in order to piss them off and make them push harder at getting the necessary materials to produce a nuke, just so the US and allies can turn around and attack them.

    This is a classic problem reaction solution. Threaten a nation which you know will be defiant so that you can turn around and attack them.

    Our media is basically one sided. They are bought and paid for by the big corporations and will either not talk about certain things, or put a spin on what they do talk about.

    Edz, people have the right to believe whatever they want. The US has more nukes than anybody, as well as military bases in most countries of the world! Where is the outcry about that?

    The tyrants which have hijacked the US government are more dangerous than Iran could ever be. Any government who allows planes to crash into builings and kill 3000 people are either incompetent or evil. I go with the latter.

    Wrong. Iran is a SOVEREIGN NATION, meaning they have the right to develop nuclear technology as long as they don't use them to harm people.

    If the world has the right to tell Iran to get rid of their nukes, why don't they start by demanding it of Israel, the US, and Britain?
     
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    Tesla wrote:
    I can understand your viewpoint since you believe that your goverment are terrorists but even though the possibility is there that such an attack was ''allowed'' (that is my viewpoint) i do not fully stand behind such statements because it's not the only reason why such an attack could take place and is in my oppinion not absolute truth.

    I would not expect the U.S. dropping nukes in the future in contrast to ahmedinijad that i would expect him to do by making such psychotic statements.
    Therefor i would have to disagree with you that the states are more dangerous then Iran.

    Me being wrong is your oppinion and if Iran would be developing nuclear energy and at the same time being able to develop nuclear weapons then it's not responsible towards the world to let them proceed.
    If they only have the possibility to develop nuclear energy with their technology then i would not have a problem with it.

    Also when ahmedinijad is saying Israel needs to be wiped of the earth don't you think you are contradicting yourself by saying meaning they have the right to develop nuclear technology as long as they don't use them to harm people..

    Because they already have the bombs and the technology but ask yourself this...do we really need another country with nuclear bombs that has a goverment with radical beliefs as ahmedinijad has?
     
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    They are threatened by the US and Israel, and I would be to. The US has already used nukes before, and Israel has inflicted so much suffering on the palestinians it is unthinkable.

    When someone is a threat to you, you will naturally want to arm yourself with the best weapon to protect yourself.

    Why doesn't the US threaten North Korea the way they do Iran? Kim Jung II has threatened to use nukes against the US numerous times, and so has China.

    But I don't see the Bush admin crying about that. Perhaps they are scared of North Korea and China?

    The fact is the US pushes around whoever they feel they can. They can't push China or North Korea around, so they don't.
     
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    Well they should be feeled threatened when they are making statements like ''Israel needs to be wiped of the earth'' if someone would take this route then you can expect threats. Especially if these statements come from the president himself.


    Yes, they are scared but they also know that it's only talk from them in contrast to Iran that would actually go for it.
    There are different backgrounds to considder.
     
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    You really believe that? The top Chinese generals said last year they would nuke the US if they interfered in a conflict over Taiwan. They practiced Joint military exercises with Russia last year.

    Neither Russia or China likes the US, and both are now conducting military training exercises? Anyone can see where this is going.
     
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    So a full out war between Russia and China against the U.S. is imminent in your view?
     
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    ? If they are threatened by the US, wouldn't they say something about the US being wiped off the face of the earth? no. are they threatened by Israel? how?
    How does the tiny plot of land called Israel somehow place a threat on the whole arab world? Why do all arab countries have a thing against Israel?
     
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