Ex US Congressman that studied Quran charged in terror conspiracy

No, debunked, it was to everyone. Talk of him in any context as other than what he professes to be, seems to me, has had its day and needs to move on.

 

I'm missing something. Was the Congressman a Muslim? And wasn't he a Republican?

 

Former US Congressman Mark Deli Siljander is a Christan and was studying the Quran. Now it appears that he was a closet muslim and has been aiding the Taliban and Al Qaeda.

Here is the press release from the Department of Justice
http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2008/January/08_nsd_029.html

Debbie Schlussel was a staffer for Mark Deli Siljander and blogs about the indictment of former US Congressman Mark Deli Siljander here

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/01/what_happened_t_2.html

 

Bogart, I didn't see anything in the indictment indicating the guy's faith. But I do understand what you are saying. I just don't see any more news here than anywhere else.

If you are saying that Siljander was a Christian, who turned radical Islamist - does this mean that every Christian is now under a cloud of suspicion?

Or is just Obama? If Obama, why? Again - the man's life has been lived in the public eye. On what basis is he being singled out, truly?

My point is that the suspicions have been investigated already, and dismissed.

 

No one knows what is going on in Obama's head. It's really suspicious how Obama removed the American flag pin and doesn't salute the flag.

Debbie Schlussel - former Congressional staffer of Siljander - writes that Siljander is a Born-Again Evangelical Christian. She further says that Siljander was deeply religious and was deeply against the Islamic threat, and Siljander was known, at the time, as the most pro-Israel Congressman on Capitol Hill, with many Jewish and pro-Israel Evangelical contributors from all over the world. Her father was one of those contributors. Siljander Chief of Staff, Robin Luketina, even served in the Israeli Defense Forces.

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archi...pened_t_2.html

 

Bogart, noone knows what is going on in anyone's head, which is what I have been saying all along. The best we can go on about each other, are words, and deeds; and there is nothing in either about Obama that says anything other than what he says he is.

Personally, I applaud the man not wearing a pin. Too many, I think, have rested their loyalties in a dime-sized piece of metal on their chest, and not in their hearts.

The hand over the heart thing? About as credible as the e-mail Islamic Radical hoax, in my opinion:

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2007/11/obama_responds_to_flag_photo.html

I just think this is silly, and hackneyed, at this point. He's right. It's long overdue to tend to the business of electing the next President.

Thanks for the Schussel information - and again, I would say, based on the logic of this, we're all under a cloud of suspicion. Basically, all just a little too Manchurian Candidate for me.

 

I doubt I would ever vote for obama, unless my choice was between hilary and him. But, does anyone take credit for starting these rumors? Of all the dirt thrown around these 2 rumors are the lamest, at least Ron Paul has articles written under his name that are racists, but geesh to try and make obama out to be a muslim in hiding seems just stupid. But there are really people out there that are driven by fear, some so much they want to hide in DP....

 

It's not just fear. A lot of people are uncomitted politically, and view forums like this as an opportunity to irritate and harass.

 

If you want to vote Obama then go ahead. I wouldn't criticize you for it.

Mark Siljander was also charged with obstructing justice for allegedly lying about being hired to lobby senators on behalf of an Islamic charity that authorities said was secretly sending funds to terrorists.

I wonder which senators Siljander was hired to lobby.

 

No thanks, I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees.

No CFR member is ever going to get my support.

 

Ughhh... more John Bircher crap...

 

Am I missing something?

 

If you are, you can catch up by reading None Dare Call It Conspiracy or almost any other JBS publication.

 

Actually, the Birchers have done more for America and the cause of freedom than the beltway libertarians you fashion yourself after Will.

Before you start dissing the JBS, you should remember that both Goldwater and Reagan ran on platforms of investigating the Trilateral Commission, and Goldwater believed there was an international banking conspiracy, speaking about it many times.

The worst thing about the most self-righteous people on this forum, is that they associate themselves with people like Hayek and Goldwater, without knowing diddly about either of them.

You can read all you want, if you don't comprehend it, you're no smarter for the experience.

 

I just didn't understand the John Birch reference - it was a sincere, and not a loaded, question. How does the John Birch Society relate? Just the presumption of Obama as a radical Islamist, conspiracy theory?

 

NPT, more info here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Birch_Society


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I am beyond astounded to hear you say this, Guerilla. My teacher was a decorated WWII vet, banned for 12 years from working his trade, because he had the guts to tell McCarthy and HUAC what he could do with himself. Thankfully, he began teaching. As a former student to at least this one sacrificial lamb to HUAC, and knowing the lives of many more ruined, I consider Roy Cohn, HUAC, and what both spawned in the way of JBS and its "intelligence gathering ops" to be the biggest challenge to the question: "what is America?" then to date.

Consider me floored.

Edited to add: I saw your post. Thanks. I know what JBS represents.

 

Strange that you would consider his ending up your teacher a tragedy.

But back on track, I don't approve of the witch hunts anymore than most Catholics approve of the Inquisition.

That said, the JBS has been a consistent voice and activism group for America.

Today we have a welfare/warfare state. What was the last welfare/warfare state that was a world power?

I'll give you a hint. It had 4 letters in it's initials.

Wake up America. Liberty is something you have to be vigilant about, not something you take for granted.

 

You're too smart for that NPT. It's not about what the perception is. Go into what they actually do, and have done. I'm not saying it is perfect, but don't write it off as a tool of the McCarthy era.

JBS has been trivialized by the neo-right, but it still conducts impressive grassroots activism on a large scale, and unlike MoveOn, it's done very quietly.

Btw, I'm not a Bircher. But I'm thankful they are there to balance out the power that at times seems to have shifted exclusively to the CFR, PNAC and TLC.

 

Guerilla, strange that you would consider it right and proper for a man to be told who he could associate with, or what he could believe - and if he didn't cave to HUAC, as he didn't, that his ability to keep his family fed and housed was out the door, absent a lucky fluke of history. Many didn't make it out so well.

I cannot agree with your logic. I consider the JBS flatly un-American, as dangerous a force for individual liberty as many of the others we have discussed on this forum.