Everyone says...PR doesn't help SERP; then why we need PR?

Discussion in 'Google' started by ASPMachine, Feb 8, 2009.

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What is the right answer for you about PR?

  1. PR doesn't help Google SERP.

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    42.1%
  2. PR help on Google SERP.

    11 vote(s)
    57.9%
  1. #1
    I know almost 99% of webmasters say that PR doesn't help SERP....but I don't know whether it's actually helping on SERP or not. Now I curious to know something about it from your end. All webmasters aim is to be become on top of Google SERP. And also all the webmasters are always want to be place their links at only higher PR sites. PR is only showing a green and trusted site in Google eyes. Since Google SERP doesn't depend on PR, so I think whether a site is being trusted by Google or not, its doesn't matter...is not? Our aim is to be stay at top.....not to increase PR..... Webmasters aim is to get tons of visitors not a long green line.....Am I right? So why we need to do hard work to get PR when its doesn't effect of SERP. I'm very confuse here that why we always look only higher PR sites or directory to place our sites......which I think its totally worthless cause PR doesn't help on SERP. My dream is only to get top on SERP not to see a long green line at Google toolbar.

    So... dear all, do we're giving more importance on PR rather than SERP? Do really PR doesn't help on SERP? If PR doesn't effect on SERP...why we're trying to make long green line? Does Google give us any additional benefits to get more visitors to our site if we've higher PR or do we lose visitors if Google see us with PR0 eyes? What is the actually benefits for webmasters if have higher PR?

    Thanks
     
    ASPMachine, Feb 8, 2009 IP
  2. rbucich

    rbucich Peon

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    #2
    It only indirectly helps in SERP so I can't answer the poll.
    You can have a PR7 page and not find your site in the search results because you're not optimized well for a certain keyword combo.

    Too many variables to even discuss here.
     
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  3. SearchBliss

    SearchBliss Well-Known Member

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    #3
    The fact is, we don't need "toolbar PR", we need "actual PR" which controls the SERPs. Actual PR is only known by Google. Toolbar PR was a novelty created by Google to show the "importance" of a page. But what happened is that webmasters found a way to manipulate toolbar PR by creating backlinks, and Google has had it's hands full ever since, and part of the battle was adding a lot less weight to toolbar PR, otherwise the SERP's would be easier to manipulate....so it's less important now more than ever.
     
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  4. mjewel

    mjewel Prominent Member

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    Relevant links from trusted sites (sites that already rank well for your targeted keyword) are what will help your SERPS. Trusted sites tend to have good PR - so these links will tend to increase your PR - but it's the link that helps rather than the PR. If you get links from unrelated sites, it may increase your PR, but won't help you with SERPS as the links aren't relevant.
     
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  5. Nystul

    Nystul Well-Known Member

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    #5
    It is important when you have it, and not so important if you don't. I like it cos my sites are PR > 4
     
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  6. American_Reader

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    It is the words embedded in the good PR links that matter for SERPs. Even your content does not matter as much as backlink terms, from good PR sites, and when those backlink terms come from multiple good PR sites.

    Don't expect google algorithm to be 1=1.
     
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  7. pctec

    pctec Well-Known Member

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    #7
    I can only speak from my personal experience. I have a site which had a PR5 last year. The site now has a PR2 and I see no decrease in traffic or serps whatsoever...

    So IMHO, PR means squat to serps.

    As to why do people want higher PR? Its for link sales... higher PR = higher cost for the link... plain and simple.
    Those of us who do not sell PR links do not care about it one way or the other.
     
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  8. xtremenitro911

    xtremenitro911 Banned

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    #8
    Only important if selling links. You can do a search for anything and find lower PR sites ranking above high pr sites.
     
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  9. make-it-yourself.me.uk

    make-it-yourself.me.uk Active Member

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    #9
    Hi, im with searchbliss on this, pr has been turned on its feet realy as pctec said mostly for link sales however for traffic and top ranking research is the key.

    Some times i do wonder to my self as with good research to find a gap in the market ive had site up on big keywords with no back links

    do more concentrating on page seo
     
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  10. Abhik

    Abhik ..:: The ONE ::..

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  11. oseymour

    oseymour Well-Known Member

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    #11
    Its not something that you should totally ignore but don't get obsessed about it
     
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  12. seocipl

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    Google Page Rank is Significant because when are you link exchange with any high page rank site so site required 1 to 2 page rank for your home page.
     
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    #13
    If you have hundreds of link from No PR or PR0 pages, your site will be No-Where in SERPs.

    On the other hand - if your site has just few PR6/7 links - try it.

    All those claiming PR has nothing to do with SERP are living in a dream of their own world.
     
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  14. American_Reader

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    PR has a lot of importance. But without keywords (and specifically keywords in backlinks), on what pretext Google is going to bring up your link? If it worked like that, I guess NYtimes articles would always be on the top.
     
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    orcbandit Active Member

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    #15
    Pr is the one of the criteria on SERP.But SERP got 150 or more criterias which we don't know.
     
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  16. jose

    jose Well-Known Member

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    #16
    In fact, there are several PR’s. The PR released in the google bar is not the same as the PR used in the google algorithm (SERP).

    The latter is calculated permanently while the google bar PR is released about 4 times a year. The algorithm PR takes account of the current situation while the google bar PR has a time lag of a few weeks. Last but not least, the algorithm PR does not result from the same factors as those of google bar PR (for instance, if your site has been penalized for buying links, your google bar PR may drop sharply while your top position in SERP may remain absolutely unchanged).

    1. The algorithm PR is definitely a major factor of SERP. But, nobody knows what this PR is. According to google, it results from 500 million variables and 2 billion terms. If you know them (or a significant part of them), Microsoft or Yahoo will certainly hire you with a payroll of several millions of dollars/month.

    2. A few years ago, the google bar PR resulted simply from the amount and the quality (in fact, the PR) of incoming links. Now, it results not only from backlinks but also from a lot of others factors which have nothing to do with SERP’s (see abovementioned example), but with the marketing policy of google (e. g. your PR may drop if your site offers an alternative for adwords).

    In the past, the google bar PR was a rather correct value of a site. Now, nobody knows what it means. And it may give misleading values. Furthermore, there are several tricks to display fake PR.

    So, why should we take care of something we do not know what it means and that may give us wrong information ?
     
    jose, Feb 10, 2009 IP
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    a1b2cd4e5 Banned

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    #17
    I don't think it helps your SERP's, I think it's as a result of your SERP's, so if you're doing well on Google and have a good number of quality backlinks, you'll end up with a good PR.
     
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  18. lifeplayer

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    #18
    It helps, just very little. High PR mean big network connection, this mean that your website is consider important. However, SERP just mean that your website having a more related content with the keyword you search. That's a different.
     
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  19. jik34

    jik34 Active Member

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    #19
    Tell us some variables that can help him.

    .jik
     
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  20. luxl85

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    #20
    PR is the one factor of google SERP. As it shows the link popularity of page, you know google SERP think a lot of about links.
     
    luxl85, Feb 10, 2009 IP