My mother (and father) have both told me around 30 to 50 times in less than 12 months (no exaggeration) that if I get in trouble on the internet for certain things, then they do too. I have no internet criminal record. I've never committed an internet crime. I've never been charged with an internet crime. I've been on the internet for about 11 years. They are using petty, minor, accidental, unintentional things in the past as an excuse for the constant questioning, the constant prying into my business, and the constant remarks and comments about my activities on the internet - despite their own illegal activities on the internet. So I'm making this post to clarify some things. I'm also posting this on a legal forum for further legal clarification. Here I'll get some answers from other webmasters. I know the answers to all of these, but I need as many people to reply as possible. Here are some example situations. 1) I'm on my own internet connection in my own name. I'm living at home. I send out 20,000 e-mails (I don't e-mail spam or mass message, this is an example for clarification.) and multiple people report me to my ISP. Comcast cable terminates my internet connection, with possible legal action following the termination of my connection. Does comcast cable then look to my parents internet connection, also with comcast cable, and terminate them just for me living here and having my own connection, paid with my own money, in my own name? Of course not. If they did, then that is what they would do to connections that get terminated for whatever reason. They would also terminate the connection of the parents, the brother, the sister, the friend, the girlfriend, or other. If what my parents believe is true (Its not, with proof.) then if one connection under a household gets terminated for spamming, then so does all the other connections. This doesn't happen, and the chances of it happening are very very very slim to none. If you agree, reply with 1) Agree. If you disagree, reply with 2) Disagree - and then explain why you disagree and proof of your disagreement if you have any. 2) I'm on my own internet connection in my own name. I'm living at home. I make a website that has content that isn't registered or licensed. Someone sues me for this and takes me to court. They even try to put me in prison. My parents hold the belief (My mom specifically) that if I am sued for hosting illegal content on my website, then they also will face legal action because I live here. This is false. Maybe if I was 14 years old they would get scolded for allowing their 'child' - but I am 22 years old. They will face no legal action, I will. Me living under their roof as my parents does not make them liable for me hosting content that isn't licensed. The rightful owner of the content cannot take legal action against the people I live with (THAT IS UNHEARD OF ANYTHING LOL) but they can take legal action against me for hosting their content without licensing. If you agree with this one, reply with 2) Agree If you disagree with this one, reply with 2) Disagree - and explain why you think my parents can face legal action for me hosting content that isn't licensned. (And also how the h--- someone can take legal action against my parents for ME hosting THEIR content without purchasing a license....lol it is unheard of and has never happen in the history of the internet...not in the example situation I explained...$10 paypal to someone who can find an article or newspaper or online source that reports/talks about it....) Example 3) I'm on my own internet connection, in my own name, living with my parents. I get into a very heated argument online and someone files internet harassment charges against me. (Example situation, I don't fight on the internet or even argue seriously unless it is an intellectual debate.). If the charges go through and I am charged with internet harassment, my parents seem to hold the belief (Mom specifically) that they too will be charged because I live under their roof. This is also not true and is completely insane and unheard of. It happens every year to kids my age who live at home (22 years old) and the home owners or parents are not charged with "accessory to internet harassment" (LOL) because the adult lived under their roof. They disagree though - and I'm sick of hearing it. If you agree with this, reply with 3) Agree If you disagree, reply with 2) Disagree - and explain why and how you think the home owners or roofers of a 22 year old adult male on his own internet connectin who is charged with internet harassment will also face charged because the 22 year old male lives in their house. (unheard of like I said, sorry for the insanity.) If I'm a parent and my 22 year old son lives with me, sends out 20,000 spam mails, and then gets his own internet connection terminated that is in his own name that he pays for with his own money - the ISP will not terminate my internet connection because my son lives in my house. It is unheard of. Even the spammers who got sent to prison for years for mass mailing millions of people - the people they lived with weren't charged with the same crime or "Accessory to spamming" lol. Only the person who spammed was charged. Now if me and my parents were both on the same internet connection then YES, they would lose internet access because I spammed on THEIR connection. If I do it on my own connection, in my own name, paid with my own money, then it is MY BUTT - NOT THEIRS. FACT WITH EXAMPLES OF PEOPLE I KNOW WHO HAVE SPAMMED AND GOT THEIR CONNECTION TERMINATED AS PROOF! And if the owner of licensed content tried to take legal action against my parents because I live with them and hosted their content without purchasing the license - they would face counter action themself from my parents. They cannot charge my parents with hosting their content - they had nothing to do with it. Also fact. Getting the legal clarification from internet business lawyers right now. Respond in this format: 1) Agree -or- Disagree 2) Agree -or- Disagree 3) Agree -or- Disagree And explain why and how you could possibly disagree. Read carefully before replying please. Thanks to all who reply. From a legal forum: Quote: Originally Posted by Zigner View Post Oh brother - feels like a grade-school essay question. In any case, let me just say this: If you perform illegal activities in your parents house, you can cause problems for them. If you don't like their "rules" then find your own place to live. EDIT - looks like Tranq beat me to it You failed to read correctly or fully. There is no rules. This about me being sick of their paranoia. I've never spammed, never done anything illegal, never been charged with a internet crime, never had my isp terminated from doing anything illegal. And I still hear about it every other day - for no other reason than paranoia. "In any case, let me just say this: If you perform illegal activities in your parents house, you can cause problems for them." Please follow the post guidelines or don't reply in my thread at all. Or you can reply and get no response. Up to you. My parents are wrong, I have proof, and they won't listen because to them I am a "F***king idiot" So this is my way of making them listen so they will stop and leave me alone about it. No intents to do anything illegal. My intents are to get them to stop and prove to them that I'm right and they are wrong. I'm sick of defending myself. If I had a past record of illegal activities I could see the cause. Or if I had asked to do something illegal or hinted towards it. I didn't and never have though. Either clarify, or don't post. (Or post, and get no response. Continued posts will result in me reporting you for cluttering up my thread though.) Thnx. ---------- Didn't I say please read carefully before replying? I swore I did.... Your reply should look like this: 1) Agree. 2) Agree 3) Agree -or- Like this: 1) Agree. If your internet connection is terminated for spamming, they will not terminate the internet connection of your parents just because you live under their roof UNLESS they have been proven to have something to do with it. You can call Comcast cable and speak with a representative to confirm this. Sorry you live with paranoid nut cases kid, hope I helped get them off your back. 2) Agree. It is like if I made and own the rights to a graphic and then find it being sold by someone else without permission or legal rights to my graphic. I can take legal action against the person re-selling my graphic without permission or rights, but I cannot take legal action against the parents that the person stealing my graphic lives with unless they had something to do with it or were selling it themselves. Simply living under the same roof gives me no legal power to do anything to the parents NOR would I realistically and logically want to as it would serve no purpose. 3) Agree. Your mom sounds like an illiterate drunk who comes in your room and constantly repeats herself with little to no justification other than the kind she makes up in her head because she is paranoid. If you need any more clarification I would be glad to help. AND AGAIN - THESE ARE EXAMPLES. NOTHING I AM DOING HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF THE ABOVE. I AM NOT SELLING ANYTHING, I AM NOT E-MAILING ANYTHING, AND I AM NOT HARASSING ANYONE. I LISTED THE EXAMPLES TO SHOW THEM.
Hi your not jude Judi, Dont Jude him, I'm 33 and i still live with my parents it's nature, The indians have never stoped living with there folks
I'm saving up to move out. Because my mom wont shut her mouth about them being charged for a crime that I commit because I live here. I'm on the verge of having a lawyer come to the house and recording a conversation from a comcast rep. I could see if I had a past criminal activity or if I was doing something illegal. I'm not though, and have told them this at least 30 to 50 times (cant keep count) the past 6 months. Probably a lot more than that. At least 10 times from January to now. Or if I was mass messaging 10,000 people everyday. Whats her name...pinkmisift? Mass messages 100,000+ people everyday on instant messenger with an Instant Message asking if they want to see a link? lol.
I get into a very heated argument online and someone files internet harassment charges against me. The first person to get mad generally loses every conflict. Chill out, and calm down.
This is precisely the reason why I moved out of my parents house at 17 and got my own place. To answer your question: in my experience, you can tell your Mom 50 million times and she'll still harass you about it. Mainly because she is your Mom, and feels like she has this right. You have to move out to fix this problem, dude.
This is some crazy $hit. I dont know if anyone can help you with this..this is some Jerry Springer $hit...lol Anyways about question #1. Your ISP (comcast) can do whatever they feel like. If you have two ISP at one home address and they ban your account they can also ban the other account and i'm pretty sure that if that happened they would ban the whole address. About questions #2. If you get sued about copyrighted material on your site your parents don't have anything to do with it. If you live there or not you're over 18 and you're in United States...you're on your own! About question #3. If someone files internet harassment charges against you then your ISP might block you. If they block you and see another ISP at the same address they might block it too. My advice to you: If your parents are bitching about things you're doing why in the world are you telling them what you're doing. Lock your room and don't brag about your spam, illegal images and arguments online!
The stuff you heard are symptoms, not the root of cause (which can be "fear" or "worry" or whatever). Instead of arguing "I can get into jail" stuff, you guys need to have a discussion where you found out what really is the underlying worry - and what you could do to help them understand more. Getting lawyers is not going to help, since this probably has nothing to do with legal stuff. You should listen to what they say, and then suggest solutions. For example, set up a legal entity to protect you (and your parents) - or tell them "I wish to continue, and I need you to help me to figure out a way that we both enjoy". Last but least: 1) don't send spam, get aweber or something 2) don't get into fights or heated discussion (read a book about zen or something) Getting "agrees" or "disagrees" isn't going to help you - since there's some underlying problem you need to figure out. Good luck with it.