Every Muslim Terrorist Should Be Brought To Justice

Just Facts:

- George Bush's decision of invading iraq killed (officially) 650 000 iraqis (60% are women and childrens).

thats all i have to say.

 

I believe that George shouted, "Cha-ching!" each time a bombing run on Baghdad was completed.

I'm curious to know how you feel about the Iraqi Christians who were under siege during the early days of the war, and I assume many of which are still struggling to survive in less than ideal circumstances.

Granted they are a relatively small demographic, but I've always felt that when you kill the few to get the many, it's a slippery slope. But then again, if you kill 10 Muslims and only two were Al Queda or terrorists, that's also thin ice.

I obviously do not have the numbers on the specific size or growth projections of terrorist groups, but even if 50% of Muslims are Al Queda, what about the other 50% that are in the wrong place at the wrong time?

 

Where did you pull these "official" numbers and "facts" from? I have an idea, but would like to hear it from the horses mouth, so to speak.

 

well thats the official number from the iraqis governement, i heard it in our national tv tv5, also am sure that the real number is way more than that, and its increasing everyday.

no matter what is the reason, killing 650 000 persons including women and childrens, is the most horrible crime of history after Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

if someone cant see how horrible is this, then he is blind.

 

Is it really that high? I think it's less than that.

 

its more than that, if you live in the US and count on the media to tell you the whats happening, u will never know the truth.

 

So do you actually have a credible link to these numbers from the Iraqi govt. or do you basically just believe whatever's on the tube in France?

 

I hope those links are enough for you.

Channel4
www.channel4.com/news/articles/world/middle_east/iraq+war+killed+650000/170350

Fox News:
www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,219638,00.html

New York times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/11/w...6b1d070ff83c15&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

Boston.com
www.boston.com/news/world/middleeas...d_study_says_600000_iraqis_killed_during_war/

USATODAY
www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2006-10-10-iraq-dead_x.htm

Peace.

 

Thanks Mario. I'll check them out.

 

welcome.

 

I can appreciate the irony there. The numbers you are parroting are from a thoroughly debunked "Lancelot" report. muslim terrorists are killing innocent muslims in Iraq every day. You'd be surprised at how many people would give aid and comfort to terrorists there, by giving their credit away to others.

 

Those numbers are way off. Even they admit to a high margin of error, but still not enough as they should be. The main error of logic in the study that I can see is this:

What they don't state is the fact of what the level of violence is in the heavier populated areas versus the less dense ones. You cannot take an uneven sampling, use it to calculate a percentage, and then multiply that by the total population to get a final answer. That's basic statistics.

For instance, I just took some numbers using city populations and murder rates of 2004. If I take the top (by population) and add up all of the people, I get 29,757,685 citizens. That turns out to be about 10.57% of the US population overall, based on the 2000 census. I then look at the murder rates for each city, multiply them out, and I get that when you add all those cities together, 4,061 people were murdered in them in 2004. So I next divide 4,061 by 10.57% to get the estimate that approximately 38,403 people were murdered in the US in 2004. Fine and dandy.

Only problem is that the real amount was 16,137, a much smaller number. You cannot take samplings of violence from densly populated areas and equate them with the whole, it just doesn't work that way.

-Michael

 

i dont care about how these people are dying, and who kill who, all i know is that this would never happened, if bush and his administration didnt invade iraq.

 

Thanks, that was sort of the confirmation that I was looking for. That facts don't matter; only the message does.

 

No am not saying that, not always, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO TAKING INNOCENTS LIFES then YES.

 

there is no way that you can prove that...you can say this would have never happened, but there is no absolute way to be sure...like many of your arguments, this one too is weak.

 

The links you posted were all to the same flawed study. This is all I needed to see

 

Like you've said twice now, facts do not matter. I don't mind that you continue to confirm it. Just wanted to point out the irony in your post when you criticize others for getting information from the media, after informing everyone that you did the same thing.

The report is debunked. If muslim clerics were not making the promise of virgins to insecure sexually frustrated men of 72 virgins for blowing up and killing the innocents you seem concerned with, the deaths wouldn't be happening. Think about that death toll if the US pulled out and let the terrorists take over. Do you really believe innocent Iraqis deserve that?

 

Ok, let me ask if I may. One of the articles you cited goes on to say this:

So, one of the reasons the rise in deaths per 1000 citizens has gone up is due to Saddam's reign. Did you care about those deaths? Had those numbers been made public, there might have been little or no change at all.

I don't agree with the war, mind you... I just don't think inflating the numbers is needed. I am anti-misinformation in a big way. I do agree with you on one part... we'll never know the truth just by listening to the media. I just happen to know it is true of media regardless of what country you live in.

-Michael

 

- Imagine that iran launch a nuclear attack against the US, and 650 000 are killed, then someone come here and say well you cant be sure that these people would never have died even if iran didnt launch a nuclear attack against the US.


THATS EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, do you have any Logic ?