Every american to have a national ID in 9 months?!

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  1. robbert

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  2. KalvinB

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    #62
    Well alrighty then.

    That answers that question.
     
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  3. robbert

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    There's just too much evidence to discard the possibility that the Mark of the Beast is a subdermal microchip implant, namely the Verichip implant. In fact, the language in Revelation strongly supports such an idea.

    RFID, which stands for Radio Frequency IDentification, is currently making leaps and bounds as a replacement for the common barcode. RFID is also being hyped as the next big thing in personal identification. There are two types of RFID microchips (a.k.a. tags or transponders) in development, passive and active.

    The barcode replacements and current versions of the Verichip implant are passive transponders. A passive transponder requires an outside source of energy to activate. A burst of energy within a close distance (usually a few inches) charges the microchip enough to respond with whatever information is stored on it. In the case of the Verichip, that information is a 16 digit identification number which is then cross referenced against a database for unlimited amounts of information.

    In contrast, active RFID tags have their own power supply and require no outside energy to broadcast their information. Because this type of microchip will soon be implanted in the body, an internal renewable power supply is a must. This is a major challenge and is also big business.

    Commercial devices are coming to market which will be surgically implanted and require some sort of power supply. This is nothing new, consider the pacemaker. The big difference though is that a pacemaker runs on batteries, and batteries need to be replaced. Replacement requires another costly operation, which inherently involves risk. The point of an internal renewable power supply is that the batteries will never have to be replaced.

    There is already existing technology that provides a means of creating an electrical current through the process of temperature change. The Mark of the Beast is said to be in the hand or forehead and it's no surprise that these are prime areas for hot and cold changes.

    Thermo Life, owned by Applied Digital Solutions through it's purchase of eXI Wireless, is a technology that converts temperature change into electricity.

    "This next-generation Thermo Lifeâ„¢ is a direct result of VeriChip Corp's acquisition of eXI Wireless. Knowing that the acquisition was in the process, our research and development personnel aimed to improve the Thermo Lifeâ„¢ product to provide a potential power source for an active RFID tag for People." Scott R. Silverman, Chairman and CEO of Applied Digital

    Thermo Life is a permanent power supply that operates off temperature fluctuations in the human body. One of the main advantages of a powered (active) RFID implant is to allow for tracking. In fact, Applied Digital Solutions is currently hard at work incorporating GPS into their Verichip for the allowance of global tracking. Thermo Life will likely power these devices. The name alone is reminiscent of eternal hell fire, exactly what partakers of the Mark of the Beast can look forward to.

    Applied Digital Solutions has already been successful in marketing and developing external devices that track people at small and large scales. Their Hugs and HALO products track newborns while in the hospital. RoamAlert and WatchMate are external devices used for security or "Wander Prevention."

    Verichip Corp's implantable products include VeriMed, VeriGuard, and VeriPay. RoamAlert also comes in an implantable version. Verichip Corp recently pulled all references to their VeriPay product. They have been known to remove specific references to their products only to have them resurface when the time is right.

    Not long ago their VeriKid product tracked children in urban environments, but they have also since pulled this product, likely until the market is able to accept it more readily. It was easy to see the similarities between VeriKid and the Mark of the Beast.

    The tracking doesn't stop at geographic location either. Heart rate, breathing, temperature, sleep, and consciousness can all be monitored from any remote location. All of this is already being used in real world applications.

    Applied Digital Solutions holds the patent to "A transceiver device implantable in a human body comprising: a triggerable radio frequency transmitter, a power source for powering said transmitter, triggering means for activating said transmitter, receiver means allowing the detection of an externally generated information signal

    That covers the complete operation of the RFID microchip and the device to read its signal. No company can legally step in and manufacture a similar device. And the patent is absolutely correct when it states that "The device meets the growing demand for a new level of safety and peace of mind." This device is here to stay.

    The first people to receive the Verichip in large numbers will be those who society feels need a watchful eye; children, the elderly, immigrants, prisoners and paroled criminals are all likely candidates, and the list goes on. Police officers and gun owners could also be some of the first to accept the implant. A microchip in the hand and another in the gun would allow only the owner to fire the weapon, thereby reducing accidental death and increasing safety


    Verichip Corp is already marketing to a diverse range of individuals. The microchip implant seems ready to go, so what's left before mass adoption? Active RFID, GPS, and security are all likely to be rolled into future generations of the chip. Security is probably the biggest factor since the current generation of the Verichip has already proven to be insecure. And there's no room for error when finances and identification are at stake.

    xpect to see large scale applications in animal "chipping", both in pets and livestock. These are perfect pilot programs to test and refine a system that will be used on the populace. Criminals will follow since they have no choice in the matter, and children will come next as the fears of parents are increasingly preyed upon. All the while a restless and rebellious segment of the general population will be getting "chipped" because they think it's cool...
     
    robbert, Sep 26, 2007 IP
  4. robbert

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    #64


    Your argument is ad hominem attack.


    An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the person", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to an irrelevant characteristic about the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim. It is most commonly used to refer specifically to the ad hominem abusive, or argumentum ad personam, which consists of criticizing or personally attacking an argument's proponent in an attempt to discredit that argument.
     
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  5. KalvinB

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    #65
    It's not a personal attack. It's an observation. Your post consisted of putting words into people's mouths that they never said. It takes a highly active imagination to come up with a play involving a bunch of political figures like you wrote OR you just copy and pasted some things from a site that even Google can't find.

    You can whine about personal attacks all you want but the facts are you're just making stuff up. Things that are just made up don't warrent a counter argument because the entire basis of the argument is ficticious to begin with. It makes as much sense as arguing about unicorns.

    For example:

    What Kennedy said that? Can you provide the source of that quote? Are you going to claim it's fake but accurate?

    From another of your posts:

    Which is found at

    http://www.ridingthebeast.com/articles/verichip-implant/

    Along with the rest of your post.

    Is that your web-site or did you just plagerize your entire post?
     
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  6. robbert

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    #66
    Try addressing the subject matter next time instead of attacking the poster. You'll get further and look smarter. Bye Calvin.
     
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  7. KalvinB

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    #67
    I was addressing the subject matter. It appears to me that the subject matter you're providing is purely fictitious. If you want to take it personally, that's not my problem. I'm not the one writing plays and pretending that it's a legitimate source of material. Do you seriously expect people to debate a play you wrote? Do you expect people to debate a bunch of material you plagerized from some web-site with no credibility?

    So, unless you can show otherwise, there's nothing to talk about. There's no reason to debate unicorns.
     
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  8. hardjoko

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    #68
    Hi All,
    Maybe you smart guys about US Government Rules, can help me?
    I live in Indonesia. I was study in US,in Madison, from 1996-2001. I worked as a teacher assistant and programmer. And went back to Indonesia in December 2001. During the working period, I paid my social security.

    What should I do to draw my money? Thank you in advance for your kind attention and assistance.
     
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  9. demosfen

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    #69
    To be eligible for SS payments (provided that there is money in SS fund - it may run out of $$ any time because Congress is stealing it), you have to have 40 points. I don't remember what 1 point is, but my guess (don't rely on it) would be that you are not eligible if you only worked part time for 5 years . It's probably something like 1 point=1 quarter that you worked and paid taxes, or something like that
     
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  10. aletheides

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    #70
    Hey Kalvin robbert isn´t the only person with these kinds of views, actually those Revelation guys are hundreds of thousands deep.

    And from a business perspective getting everyone chipped on the planet makes perfect sense if you are looking to control the population. It´s the ultimate leverage and there is really little anyone could do to fight it once it´s done. It would only be a matter of time before further laws/restrictions would be placed upon the chip - really the Real ID act is just a stepping stone.
     
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    National ID, elimination of Habeas Corpus... this is the worst most dangerous administration in the history of the United States, the history of Freedom. Helmed by the son of a son, is he not the Caligula of our times? Is he not insulated from the real world as his daughters are from the dangers of serving our country in Iraq?

    How people do not see that our beloved country is following the path of Ancient Rome I simply do not understand, unless, of course, they are doomed to repeat what they simply do not know to begin with.

    The Kennedy's - the Gracchii

    Augustus - Roosevelt

    Caligula (translation: "Little Boots") - Little Georgie
     
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    #72
    I know there are a lot of people who are trying to fit Revelation into our current society.

    According to Revelation, anyone who takes that mark is going to hell. So, unless you believe that 100% of the US population is going to hell, this is not the mark.

    The mark of the beast will be required for religious purposes. Not political. It's a sign of affiliation with the beast himself. Now, you may not like GW but he is not the devil and this Real ID is not to show a sign of allegience to him. It's an ID to show you are part of the US society and a rightful recipient of all the rights and privilages that come with it.

    All these people that are obsessed with the mark are really missing the point of it as Revelation talks about it.

    Habeas Corpus has been revoked before. Maybe it's not a particulary good thing but it's not some biblical sign either.
     
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    When this day cometh no man knows
     
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    Bush wants to make it permanent. That is number one. The Civil War was fought on Main Street. That's number two. To equate then with now and here with there is something akin to creative literature and not being able to see the trees for the forest
     
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  16. Will.Spencer

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    #76
    As the current limitations on Habeus Corpus do not affect U.S. citizens, I see the whole furor as a tempest in a teapot.

    Enemy combatants who seek to destroy the United States do not deserve the protections of U.S. law.

    They deserve a bullet to the head. Or, if bullets are too expensive, perhaps just a shovel.
     
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