Ever Notice this about all religion ???

You see its hard for humans to look beyond there own life span like stroh it seems if you cant see results in your life time then it doesnt happen. truth is humans dont live long at all blink and we are gone. but that does not mean things like evolution do not happen its just harder to observe in a human lifetime , tho not impossible.

That pretty much somes up your level of intelligence.
Originally Posted by Stroh View Post
Evolution is Pokemon's thing.

 

Same exact thing could be said about G-d. Just think about it.

 

How convinient.

If the religious spent as much time questioning thier beliefs instead of trying to find excuses to carry on believing things which are patrently untrue the world would be a much better place.

 

the world will be a better place without religions, because religions give more problem, that according to our dearest stox.

did the WW 1 started because of religions?
did the WW 2 started because of relgions?
did the vietnam war started because of religions?
did the korean war started because of religions?
did the iraq iran war started because of religions?
did the iraq war started because of religions?
did the israel palestine wars started because of religions???

it seem that the world do not need religions to have more problems.

stox, if you think that religious people are stupid, that is your problem.
we live happily with our "stupid" religions.
believe me, there are always religious people everywhere in the world to the next 100 years or even 1000 years, start to live with it.

it is easy to point on religions on all the problem that the world have.

 

religions aren't responsible for all the problems, but then, I never said they were. What I said is that the world would be a better place without superstition. So feel free to claim that no wrongs were ever done In the name of religion and that no religious belief has ever caused someone sacrifice their intellect, justify oppressing someone or poison a childs mind. If a religious belief makes someone happy then good for them, but what invariably happens is they use their belief as justification for telling other people what to do.

 

It is those that want desperately to deny the existence of God that are the ones that oppress. Try taking a few extra Bibles into China or try countering (someone who wants you to believe they are) an atheist in a classroom or a web forum and the real oppressor will be revealed.

 

Most examples of oppression involving an atheist leader involve a communist or fascist government. The holy point to Hitler, Stalin, China, etc. In those circumstances, the state is the religion and they don't want competition.
BTW, China is supposed to be getting a lot better about letting people practice their religion.

 

BTW, China is supposed to be getting a lot better about letting people practice their religion.

Is china strict on religion??? i have not looked into it .

 

Back to square one

It is for those that make outlandish claims to prove their point, not the other way around. If you believe in the god of sea, Posseidon, or that the moon is made of cheese, you're the one that needs to convince others.

About being oppressed, as it was already said, these are dictatorships that afraid of any other socio-political groups besides their regime, be it unions, artists, religious groups or other political gatherings. It's not a case of forcing atheism, it's a case of political oppression. Now try to be an open atheists in small town America or Saudi Arabia and see how it goes.

 

Here in conservative Orange County, we have had one local high school teacher teach the theory of evolution per curriculum but made it clear to the students that he was not he wasn't a believer in the theory. He was pushed out of the science department and eventually out of the school. There is a teacher in the same school that spends most of his classroom time railing against God, Jews, and Christians and has the lowest AP test pass rate in the county; more than a third of his students are ill prepared and nothing happens to him. That's how it goes even in conservative America.

BTW, nice bigoted cartoon.

 

how can the world will be better without religions?

because of 1 muslim killed some body?
because of 1 catholic priest rape a young boy?
becuase of 1 hindu beat up a woman?
than you simply say that religions bad for people?

people do not need religions to killed others people.
the trojan war fought because of love, maybe you should blame love too.

so stox, you can raise your children and teach them to become atheist.
but when religious people want to raise their children and teach them about their religious belief, you simply say that we poison our children mind?

btw, it is you who keep preaching to other people about atheist, how good atheist are, how smart atheist are, not me.
atheist people should make you their holly man for your effort.

 

The simple fact is that under normal circumstances, a man would not bash the head of its fellow man without reason. The way I see it, if all the people in this world would be skeptical, egotistic and cynic SOB's, wars wouldn't happen, skirmishes and personal fights yes, but wars no.

You need a "noble" Cause to start mass-production of skull bashing. One of the greatest manufacturers of such standardized items is organized religion. Of course there are others as well, but that still doesn't make it right.

As for the Trojan war, the love issue is greatly overplayed. It was just another reason of the ancient Greeks to go to war against their neighbours, them being the "noble" light bringers and all.

Regards, George

P.S. I do hope that you realize the distinction I make between religion per se and organized religion. The creationist movement for example, is in my view firmly planted in the second.

 

so, as you saying that religions cause more wars than non religions?
care to give me example wars that cause by religions?

people usually use religions for encouragement, to justify their actions, but not as their main reason.

and what is organize religion? is a priest in a church with his followers is organized religion?
if that so, that all religions are organize religions.

 

I'm not saying that religion is the only cause of wars. As for the finer points of which is greater, equal or smaller than, the simple fact that people have died and keep on dieing some gruesome deaths because of them tends to put all of them in the same bucket.

The best example of a religious war are undoubtedly the Crusades. Imagine that at the time, the most permeating element across Europe and thus the most influential was the Catholic Church. The secular institutions were restricted to small kingdoms and city states. Alone, they would've never embarked on something this stupid. Of course, they still had their minor skirmishes over trade routes and taxing the ongoing traffic, but otherwise being a mercenary at the time was considered a wise career move, which surprisingly enough even held the promise of a peaceful retirement. Casualties were rather low. It took the Crusades to drastically lower the life expectancy.

Another more recent example is the 6 Day War between Israel and the Arab States. It is easy to forget that these two populations are actually just one. They are both Semitic populations. When Islam was born some of the first wave of recruits were the Jews living in the Arabian peninsula, so basically this conflict and the Israeli- Palestinian wars/intifadas are religious wars.

And the final issue, that of what organized religion truly is. Well you caught me here, I can't give you a definition. What I can do though is provide you a way of recognizing it.

- The institution itself becomes more engaged in preserving itself rather than attending the needs of those it's supposed to guide
- There is a great deal of bureaucracy and structures which do not have anything to do with the direct relation between the priest and the believers
- The institution tends to interfere with the society at large and imposes social policies, which contradict common sense and the secular spirit of the government.

Hope this clears things a bit.

Regards, George

 

If only it were one. The world is full of people using their religion to demand that other people do as they say. From islamic terrorists to the christian right opposing gay marriage, We are surrounded by these people and we are frankly tired of it. If they could only understand that the imaginary rules they chose to live by apply to only them, Not everyone else, they wouldn't be so damned annoying.

Against gay marriage? Fine, Don't marry a man then.
Against cartoons of the prophet? Fine, Don't draw any.
But stop demanding everybody else lives by your imaginary rules.

no it's not required, But what could justify it better than the notion that it's what god wants.

When did i ever say i would raise my children atheist? I will raise them to think for themselves, Which would invariably result in them rejecting ancient superstitions and dogma.

 

And what are you gonna do if they don't? Sounds like you've already decided for them and are in denial about it.

 

I'm not having children.

However, if I did, I would make damn sure that they did not believe in something that will give them false hope, ill-defined morals, and a feeling of superiority over others.

They'll worship the only real "God" this pathetic little planet has - the Sun. Without the Sun we are all dead.

 

Not really a lot i could do. They will receive an education that would make it highly unlikely that they will end up thinking "invisible magic man in the sky done it" is a sufficient explanation for anything though.

 

Because you, I or anyone else are only around for around 60-80 years. How do you think anything evolves? One day there isn't a tree in the ground, then the next day there is a 100 ft tree or something what do you think it is magic or somthing lol?