Ever Notice this about all religion ???

The thing is, The evolutionists would change their mind if sufficient evidence was found to invalidate current evolutionary theory, Such as a Precambrian rabbit or a inactive gene in human DNA to produce feathers (that wouldn't disprove that animals evolve, but it would dismantle our current model of how it happened). It's the creationists who dismiss the mountain of evidence supporting evolutionary theory in favour of a creation myth supported by nothing except the ancient scribblings of a mentally ill bronze age goat herder. Because the difference between evolutionists and creationists is evolutionists are concerned with what is true, Creationists are just concerned with continuing with unquestioning faith, regardless of the evidence contradicting it.

So surely intellectual honesty should be judged on what is used to form the opinion, not how made up peoples minds are.

 

I recommend every one does their research into the major religions with an open mind and come to their own conclusions.
I personally reject the Non Believers point of view that there is no accountability for your actions in this life. Whether it's Hilter or Mother Teresa, both have simply become worm food and have nothing to account for.
-------------
Why doesnt GOD show himself? - well if he did, would there be any non-believers left? Faith would not be faith if you did not believe without solid proof.

Why do even some of the most ancient and recently discovered tribes in the amazon seem to have similar beliefs about GOD? for Muslims, the answer is simple. Allah/ GOD says he sent messengers to each and every nation with the same message about oneness of GOD and that all humans will be accounatble for their actions in this life. This life is a test for all humans.

 

Because they all want answers to questions which they are clever enough to ask, but not clever enough to answer.

 

don't forget including the natural world into your research.

so god finds solace from eternally torturing those who look for rational explanations for the universe using the brains he is supposed to have 'designed'?

similar beliefs? basically that there are supernatural beings, similarity stops there. same massages? either muslims, christians or jews go it wrong then. I guess the ancient egyptians too. and so on.
how about humans have a natural tendency to make sense of the unknown and more importantly, of their realisation or their own death by figuring out superior forces?

 

I suppose you are referring to the infamous theory of evolution again. As the name suggests, its a theory, once it gets proven, I'll change my mind

Eternity?? average life span is pretty short, we shall all find out soon enough. If there is something certain, it's death and we dont have to wait long to find out.

Like I said earlier, please study the major religions before passing judgements. The basic message in all the major religions is the same. Sometimes even the minor details resemble. An example can be found in the bible. It says in the bible that the woman should cover her head, if she doesn't shave off all he hair as punishment. Similar message in Islam asking then women to cover their heads but I suppose the Muslims follow their religion a bit better than the others

 

Islam is similar in some respects to christianity because they are both abrahamic religions. Islam christianity and judaism are practically the same shit in different packaging.

When it comes to religions that aren't connected the similarities and tenets generally stop at the belief in an invisible magic man.

I guess you don't believe in gravity and colours either then... after all, Gravitational theory and colour theory are used to explain them.
Or is that scientifically illiterate statement the result of you not knowing what a scientific theory is? it's amazing how many creationists don't know this simple, easy to understand part of science. It's almost as if they don't have a clue what they are talking about yet still feel entitled to have an opinion.

A scientific theory (as used in evolutionary theory) is an explanation of the facts. Not a hunch, speculation or guess.
It's a fact that an apple will fall from a tree... Gravitational theory explains how and why.
It's a fact that string can be tied into knots.. Knot theory explains how and why.
It's a fact that animals evolve... Evolutionary theory explains how and why.

 

it's one of the most well supported theories. either you haven't read enough or you don't want to know about it, which is another problem.

??

major religions state that unbelievers go to hell, which means eternal torturing.

and what about all the things that don't resemble? why considering only the "major religions", especially when they have a common origin? obviously that's why they resemble in some aspects.

 

Based on theories, it was also widely believed at one point that the earth was flat.. so a theory is only a theory until it's proven to be a fact. Science teaches us that. I did read the theory of evolution as part of my Science degree at Uni ( a degree which I passed with flying colours if I may add )

Now you're changing the line, your original statement was that God wants to torture people who wish to find the answers.. you're obviously looking for the answers in this life right?? and this life is short. After death you will have your answers. GOD invites every one to research and they will find the answers. In the Quran it says. ( Recite in the name of your Lord who created man. Created man in the form of a blood clot which clings on to the womb like a leech. ) Surgeons, hundreds of years later discover that it is indeed the truth. There are many many other verses which tell you about the galaxies ( how they're in the form of blossoming roses ), oceans ( how there are 2 layers of water where the oceans meet..yet they dont mix ) and much more.
So GOD invites you to research and investigate using the verses from the Holy scripts. If after all your investigations, you choose not to believe then you are promised a place in eternal hell fire..deservedly so.

The things that don't resemble have been coined by priests and people of authority for their own petty gains.
I'm considering major religions only as the scripts are sent by GOD. No point bringing man-made religions into the discussion. You could start a new religion tomorrow..won't have any followers but you colud do it

 

This kind of superstition is the reason why some regions of the world still live in the middle ages under oppressive regimes while others actually progress, discover more about the universe everyday and have created relatively just societies.

 

Yes they all derived from the same religion and each one of those religion contradicts one or the other. All 3 will burn in hell, actually, the life they are living in now, is hell, they just don't know it...but don't anyone tell them

 

Exactly. That is the best way I have seen Theory explained. The best.

A theory is a theory, based on fact, and can be proven - and when it is proven it is still a theory.

A hypothesis, on the other hand, is a completely different animal.

Now, to those unbelievers. The 73%.

We are able to trace our history of evolution back to the Permian, as we are all Synapsids, and the first synapsid fossils are found at this time - with intermediates that gradually became mammalian.

Same goes for Birds, as we look back at their morphology and their fossils we find that they are Archosaurs, and can be traced back to the raptors and dinosaur predators of the Triassic, Jurassic, and Cretaceous. Dinosaurs are not yet extinct - we'd have to kill all the birds first.

There is evidence of evolution in your DNA. The very thing that makes you human is made up of junk and viruses, more than half. That's right, half your DNA is old retroviruses. Some are shared by all animals today, others are a bit more recent. One of these inactivates the immune system response to the developing fetus in Eutherian creatures (placental mammals).

Your DNA has genes found in reptiles, fish, and even worms. The plain fact that is coldly in front of us, of which 73% reject for whatever reasons (mental handicap, brainwashing, stupidity, and mental retardation are my theories[because I have proven them]), is that we evolved. We came up from the very early stages of life. We are connected to that first bit of reproducing amino acids that later became bacteria, that then successfully incorporated other bacteria, that created eukaryotes, and finally gave rise to multi-cellular organisms. Thousands of species have failed before us, those that failed usually failed as a better adapted one took their place.

Whichever organism can fill the niche better shall survive. It isn't the fittest as you think - no - it is who can fill the niche the best and is thus 'viably fit' to stay around. If the species was extremely weak, but outmaneuvered and outlasted a stronger, bigger species, then the weaker one was fitter.

People who say that Men came from Chimps or Monkeys are blatantly and willfully ignorant to what research says. Or they're retarded.

Primates, in their earliest form 85 million years ago (now confirmed) gave rise to many different kinds of animals. At one point we and Rodents were the same species - however as with all life, some groups adapted to fill one kind of niche, another group fills another niche. Some groups just die.

Our line is a bunch of lucky bastards to be honest. No, not really that lucky, just lucky enough not to be eaten in the beginning.

When the gorilla prototype species was around, a group adapted to the life we know them for today - however another group adapted differently. This eventually lead to the proto-chimp and man line. It was NOT a chimp, and it was NOT a man. It was something that predates them.

Well, one group adapted to the lifestyle of being somewhat arboreal - tree dwellers part of the time. The other group adapted to land, and thus the best survivors that could fill the niche - favoring longer legs and bigger brains to counter-act the weapons of the ever-better predators survived. The lesser were slowly killed off by their niches being taken.

Eventually we reached the point of Homo. That is our Genus.

Now for a chart.



As you can see, it is not a straight line. At all. It shows how there were groups that survived, that had offshoots that did not, and that lead to us. Consider that Homo sapiens were around at the same time as Homo neanderthalensis. What - were the bones magically made? No. They lived and died.

Just as we do.

Additionally Homo erectus was around right when we started showing up.

What does this all mean?

What's the point?




1. The earth is not 6,000 years old. It is 4.5 Billion, and life has been around for at least 3 billion.

2. We evolved. We are Synapsids. Synapsids ruled the world in the Permian, and were wiped out except for three or four lines. One of those gave rise to mammals. Monotremes (platypus) are the most remote of the Mammalian line as they lay eggs. Thus they are not Eutheria or even Theiria, but in their own special place.

When the Dinosaurs died - Mammals filled the niche, and Synapsids rose from the ashes and dominated the world again.

3. Religion is not under attack - science, knowledge, and technology are. 73% of you people don't believe a word I just said. Religion is actually growing because you're all having more babies than we are - because we happen to know that the world is overpopulated as it is.

Every time you have a child, God kills an Ethiopian. Please, wear a condom. [Sarcasm is a beautiful thing]

 

Originally Posted by nicedeals
So GOD invites you to research and investigate using the verses from the Holy scripts. If after all your investigations, you choose not to believe then you are promised a place in eternal hell fire..deservedly so.


Man you could not seriously believe in hell ??? when die understand your body will rot into the ground and probably feed the grass your soul will not live on there is no such thing No Soul ,No Spirit , No Hell , No Heaven its all make a fairy tail.

 

Jackuul

I Must say that was a extremely well put post man but really 73% is that correct ????

If So this is just Brilliant hahaha I could not have said that better myself.

"The plain fact that is coldly in front of us, of which 73% reject for whatever reasons (mental handicap, brainwashing, stupidity, and mental retardation are my theories[because I have proven them])"

 

It is 73-77% roughly in the United States that reject Evolution.

 

I see you are still having trouble grasping the simple concept that a word can have multiple meanings.

If what you are saying is true why is there gravitational theory and knot theory? Gravity and knots are facts aren't they, So why do we use a "theory" to explain them?

I'll explain it one more time. A theory isn't a rung on the ladder of certainty, It will always remain a theory. Because a theory isn't what we can guesses in science, A theory is what we can the explanation. What part of this don't you understand?
http://www.notjustatheory.com/

I also don't believe you have this so called generic "science degree".

 

You have very cleverly tried to escape the "STRAWMAN CLAIMS" i put forward in those links. As i said before, it should be seen what is written not where it is written. The fact is there are a "few" people other than me who don't even believe in a sky daddy, but still question evolution.

I wonder why you are dragging creationism times and again, when all i am trying to do is to say that evolution is not real.Nothing more!!!

Evolution is based on 'circumstantial evidence' and for that matter if we see around ourselves we see more circumstantial evidence in favor of creationism, if circumstantial evidence matters!!

 

It's difficult for people with some understanding of science to get to the end of such a poorly written, scientifically illiterate pile of crap. Perhaps you could think for yourself and present the arguments here.... Obviously when i say "think for yourself" what i actually mean is copy and paste from a creationist website like creationists usually do to ensure you fully negate all thought processes.

Yeah, there are a "few". So what? There are a "few" historians who say the holocaust didn't happen. Just because there happen to be people who think the same thing as you do doesn't make what you think any more true.

and i'm saying you are wrong. Unfortunately, for you, I have an enormous body of mutually supportive peer reviewed science to back me up and all you have is the illiterate rantings of a biblical literalist who figured out how to build a website.

I have already covered this, try to keep up, I get bored when your inability to read and understand forces me to cover old ground. We can observe evolution all around us. Everything from fruit flies, to viruses. elephants to moths. We have seen them change due to selective pressures in the space of one persons lifetime. We have physically seen them evolving.

 

hahaha st0x you shut aam_aam up good.

 

Yes it is, but still the best we have.

We don't see evolution, period. It happens across great periods of time. There are however small mutations occurring in each generation. If the mutations are harmful, they don't propagate (the individual dies), if they are neutral or positive they get passed on. These small mutations diversify the gene pool and through the mechanisms of localization (populations living in the same area tend to only interbreed there with one another) they ultimately lead to differentiation (appearance of new sub-species and then species). This is the neutral theory of evolution for you in a nutshell.

Of course still a theory, but widely used by historians nowadays to track population movement in ancient times (the Y chromosome for males, mitochondrial DNA for females). So far the results of this "theory" have proved extremely accurate, being in tone and complementing the other evidence present (written historical accounts, artifacts, culture etc )

The right verb tense is past. The fish evolved into reptilians.

My greatest respect for Pokemon then.

Regards, George