Errors in the Bible ? True or False

-One is aware that man is inherently flawed, is not saved but by Grace, and one has no business judging anyone.

It doesn't seem complicated to me - the message is pretty simple, at least as I read it.

At the heart of it, I guess I just wonder if rather than calling Mormons, etc., heretics, or posting threads celebrating the death of someone (however evil that someone was), one would just do better to:

-And with this, I'll bid bonne nuit. Maybe we can all find peace this year.

 

How so, north, please be more specific, which discourse specifically?

Well, see, that's kind'a what I think genius is. Certainly in writing. It's not like building a rocket ship. It's like saying something we all know and feel, and kind'a swim all around trying to project succinctly. Then someone comes along and says it so simply, so utterly, that we are all left cheering saying 'that's what I been trying to say all along.'

If Grace was truly that simple... not just to understand conceptually, but to truly understand it - we'd all want it.
It's a question of perspective. Whether or not you believe that Grace emanated or not from the one person truly capable of extending it.

 

We are to judge righteously. It's foolish not to judge according to truth. But then if you reject the very notion of truth then it's obvious why you have a hard time understanding the concept of judgement and it's purpose and value. If you don't know what the truth is then how can you know what is false?

Ilconceived personal attacks are doing nothing for you. I find it highly ironic that you detest judgement and yet have an unexplained need to try to judge me.

 

Dead, the Christian discourse which presumes to have a final authority on anything, in contradiction to "Good? Only my Father is Good", as well as the many other words ascribed to Christ that basically all say "put your head down and pray - you are in no position to judge anybody." Specifically, speaking as a Christian sitting in judgment of other sects or lines of Christianity; and rejoicing in the death of a human being. I don't see Christ's message, or what I know of it, in any of this.

I agree with you on the definition of Grace, according to Christian life. It is by definition an emanation from one person, and not an "earned" state from within.

 

Kalvin, I'd be cautious about casually hurling the notion of "personal insults" (et seq).. You may slant anything in any way you wish, of course, but I don't believe I have made any personal attacks, now, or in the past.

My beef, again, is that you purport to have the Objective Truth, and, by saying things like

-Etc., you are clearly condemning folks who don't share your views.

I must also admit, given your surety of the Christian Truth (and condemnation of others who don't share it), how this squares with giving advice on how to set up porn sites?

Porn? Whether in act or in the heart, if Christ's message is the fulfillment of the Law, Paul, it seems to me, condemned the notion that one could do whatever one wanted, apart from the law, simply because one is "saved." Or, in other words,

Or something along the lines of

-The Porn - is this part of your keen ability to "judge righteous judgment," and "not be hypocrites?" Gotta admit, I'm a bit confused by the level of "righteous judgment" emanating from you against so many other folks, while you are giving advice on optimizing porn...

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Kalvin, rather than a "personal attack," the words of Christ I read, and post above, tell all of us to put our heads down in gratitude and render up judgment to Another. Or, in addition to Christ's words mentioned throughout this dialogue, to again quote the Apostle Paul,

So I ask you again - witness, if you will - how can you justify accepting only part of Christ's message, while rejecting another? This text - these words, from the Bible, are the only words I rely on in asking you, or others who share your views. Please don't continue to rely on my lack of religious faith any longer to make your arguments - I am asking you, based on your insistence that the Bible is the sole source of God's word, the only text one should rely on for seeking the truth. So - based on that text and nothing else - no Joseph Smith extra-biblical utterances, no church interpretations or canonical apocrypha - how are you able to square your views within these contexts?

 

Kalvin, your facts about Mormons are really off here. As a Mormon myself let me set them straight for you:

No... the Book of Mormon foretells of Joseph Smith. Your facts are wrong. Please get them straight. When Joseph was translating the Book of Mormon, he encountered a prophesy from the prophet at the time of the writing of the records. That prophet said (I'm paraphrasing) that a young man would restore the true church - the same religion they were at the time - to a future generation, who would be named Joseph, after his father.

Pretty cool, huh? If I was translating and saw that I was mentioned in a 2,000 yr. old book, I'd be pretty happy.

Not sure what you mean...

Quite the contrary. I can only speak for the "Mormons" (LDS Church) here: Eternal salvation is not a free gift in our religion, but we encourage all to come to Christ, be baptized, follow his example, be righteous in life, obey the commandments, and in doing so and by having faith, people can attain eternal salvation and live with Christ & Heavenly Father again. "Being saved" is not a concept in our church. We believe it's not that easy.

Do you have a name and/or approx. date of this quote? We want all our members to understand the doctrine. What he might have been referring to was the fact that with modern-day revelation, we don't need to think up our own doctrine. I don't understand what you mean by "difficult doctrines".

I'm amazed how often people think we are a cult. You obviously are shadowed in ignorance. Have you even attended one of our meetings, to say such a critical thing about many's personal faith?

Cult, n. #

# A religious group which denies the essential doctrines of Christianity. The term is usually reserved for groups founded after 1750.


We're very much Christian. Founded after 1750, yes, but very much so Christian. Not a cult. By a long shot.

 

Just making the links active.

 

So you agree with me then. You reject God's free gift of salvation.

I attended an LDS Institute and have the diploma to prove it. I talked with Mormons daily for about a year. Yes, the LDS Church does teach that the Bible talks about Joseph Smith in the exact same way that a Muslim recently claimed that the Bible talks about Muhammad.

There's a huge difference between what the LDS Church teaches and what members tend to believe. My wife is an ex-Mormon. She thought I was nuts too but then she started asking her mom who is still LDS and reading up on things. Turns out, I know what I'm talking about.

She recently took a little quiz that I had taken at a group meeting for people of my religion. With zero training outside her own studies of the Bible she answered all the questions the same way we all did.

If you're interested you can see what I learned at

http://www.pacem.net/itow.php

There are several hundred pages of scripture covering a lot of things in the Book of Mormon as compared to the Bible.

 

Northpoint,

I think you need a restraining order. This stalking thing is just sad.

It's amazing what one learns about when they work as a programmer and have friends all over the world with various backgrounds and interests.

 

What do you expect? She is your wife, she knows you.

 

Hahahahha. OK, buddy. You keep slamming other members, pronouncing your judgments from on high in contradiction to your own declared holy text (while refusing to simply stand and answer a simple question put to you - in good faith), now, slandering me, promulgating porn sites all the while, and, it seems now as well, implying a threat to me.

You've been reported.