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Err, PR4 with several thousand cached pages = weight of 6?

Discussion in 'Co-op Advertising Network' started by Protoss, May 10, 2006.

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  1. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #21
    Gonna have to be a little more specific than that. Every URL I have direct access to seems normal.
     
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  2. breja

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    #22
    Yesterday weight: 145000
    Today weight: 3500
    Pages in google (web and api) and PR is without changes
    My login: eplik
     
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  3. iShopHQ

    iShopHQ Peon

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    #24
    mine was athletesunited.net. I've removed the coop from my site.

    Hey ishop I thought there was a limit to the amount of adsense users are allowed on the one page..
     
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  5. iShopHQ

    iShopHQ Peon

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    #25
    AdSense users? Not sure what you mean....

    You can have 3 AdSense for content ads and 1 AdSesne for search per page.
     
    iShopHQ, May 18, 2006 IP
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    Cashable Well-Known Member

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    #26
    Another site to look at:

    www.vmkingdom.com

    Weight was about 15,000 and is now either 18 or 20, depends on the day.

    PR3, over 14k pages in google.
     
    Cashable, May 18, 2006 IP
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    #27
    Another one:

    Dark Spiral
    PR4
    last week: 25,000 weight
    this week: 6-12

    Hopefully Shawn can take a look at some of these and shed some light on the situation.
     
    donnareed, May 18, 2006 IP
  8. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #28
    In the case of these sites, the weight system is working as designed. The weighting mechanism is designed to reward high quality/original content sites, and devalue what some might consider spam (sites regurgitating content for affiliate traffic for example).


    In the case of this site, it looks like most of the site has rolled over to "Supplemental" in Google's index...

    [search=google]site:www.vmkingdom.com[/search]

    Best way to avoid this is just get more links (especially deep links).


    This one is kind of a combination of the previous 2 responses... It's rolled over to mostly supplemental results in Google's index. Most likely because it's regurgitating Amazon content to drive Amazon affiliate traffic. Not only that, but it's terribly slow (I can't get to open myself).

    I don't mean to sound "snotty" about it, but ultimately the ad network is intended for high-quality sites. The weighting algorithm and how it works is geared towards weeding out the what some would consider "low quality". A good thing to do would be to ask yourself, "Would my site qualify for a listing in DMOZ or not?" (not taking into account how long it takes to get listed... just would it qualify to be listed by their quality guidelines).

    Also, I should point out that there is no double standard going on... I own sites I consider high quality, and other sites I consider low quality. I never put the low quality sites into the ad network because the ad network is designed to reward high quality sites (and has always been that way).
     
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    #29
    Thanks for the response. Interesting that this site has been steady at 20-25K weight for the past year, because it was doing the Amazon regurgitation thing all along. Point taken about using only high-quality sites in the network.

    Looks like this is due more to the latest Big Daddy cleanup of thin affiliate pages, as I suspected. Score 1 for Google.
     
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    #30
    I noticed that the keyword tracker tool doesn't update the number of indexed pages when you click on the domain you want to check. You actually have to delete the domain and readd it if you want to get an accurate result.

    I have added some of the domains here and the results might explain the drop of the coop.

    I have attached a couple of screenshots.
     

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    #31
    Hi,
    I have a directory which has gone from 22k to 1k
    http://www.newdesignworld.com

    The content is unique as much is possible for a directory, but I have experienced the same problem, where is it gone wong?

    thanks
     
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    Matteh Peon

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    #32
    how do you track a domain? i can only track keywords.
     
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  13. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #33
    Looks like Google doesn't have that many pages (~600)...

    [search=google]site:www.newdesignworld.com[/search]
     
    digitalpoint, May 18, 2006 IP
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    #34
    how about my site that crashed from 2004 weight to 38?

    site:athletesunited.net

    Original content/1980 pages indexed...
     
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    #35
    "In the case of these sites, the weight system is working as designed. The weighting mechanism is designed to reward high quality/original content sites, and devalue what some might consider spam (sites regurgitating content for affiliate traffic for example)."

    Are you saying the weighting system is using other factors besides home page PR and # of indexed pages in determining weight?
     
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    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #36
    No one ever said that's all it uses... (at least no one that knows anything). As far as specifics of how it works, that's not going to be disclosed (for obvious reason). The bottom line is the ad network weighting system is trying to weed out spamish/duplicate content sites, and reward high quality sites.
     
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    fryman Kiss my rep

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    #37
    I don't see anyone here saying "hey, my site jumped from 2k to 48k in weight"... so who is being rewarded? :confused:

    Every thread I have seen about this is about people (myself included) loosing all their weight in all their accounts.
     
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    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #38
    If that's the case, then no one's impressions went down, because the changes would be across the board.
     
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    Nintendo ♬ King of da Wackos ♬

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    #39
    It's probably not the co-op, but mainly because Google is smoking crack. As the Google board shows, a ton of people are having a lot of listings being deleted. Some people only get the main index page when they search for

    site:whatever.com

    Though for some crazy reason, I got a duplicate content article site that got bombed with around 60,000 of weight...because Google for some crazy reason shows around 300,000 URLs indexed from it!!!! So Google dumps quality sites, and indexes duplicate content sites!!! :D

    I got one other site that hasn't been touched (A message board.), while the rest crashed in weight or are waiting to crash when there re-valiadated. I went from 536,966 to around 110,000!!
     
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    #40
    "The weighting mechanism is designed to reward high quality/original content sites, and devalue what some might consider spam "

    So aggregating 1,000,000+ products from 50+ vendors to build vertical niche shopping comparson portals is spam....

    Ouch.

    FWIW - and not that you (or google or yahoo or DMOZ or anyone else) cares - there's a lot more going on behind the scenes than regurgitating affiliate data.

    Another case of an objective algorithm making a subjective decision for the web surfer as to whether or not the information my sites provide is 'quality'. :(
     
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