End of Sandbox??

Discussion in 'SEO' started by Trance-formation, Oct 22, 2004.

  1. #1
    www.nursing-nlp.org only went live about a week ago and its already number 5 in google for search terms "nursing nlp"... does that mean the sandbox effect where sites didn't appear for months is dead?

    (BTW the top result is one of the threads here :) )
     
    Trance-formation, Oct 22, 2004 IP
  2. debunked

    debunked Prominent Member

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    #2
    New sites and new pages jump to the top if properly optimized and then fall to the end and have to compete like everyone else.

    I don't believe in a sandbox theory but that new sites/pages are given priority while new (how long it is considered new I don't know)
     
    debunked, Oct 22, 2004 IP
  3. disgust

    disgust Guest

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    #3
    despite if you agree with the name or not, there's certainly SOMETHING going on that prevents new sites from ranking well in most situations.

    you're telling me you don't see new sites have a decent (top 10, top 5) allinanchor for months before they start doing decently in the serps?

    I've got a #2 for allinanchor now that isn't even in the top 200 for a regular search... been waiting two months now
     
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  4. Nitin M

    Nitin M White/Gray/Black Hat

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    #4
    Sandbox is very much alive and well.

    "Nursing NLP" is not competitive and likely that is the reason you don't have the sandbox affect. Also, as stated, it is possible you will drop out in the coming weeks and are just benefiting from the fresh content boost right now.
     
    Nitin M, Oct 22, 2004 IP
  5. Solicitors Mortgages

    Solicitors Mortgages Well-Known Member

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    I just took a look at your site on google,,and i only saw one or two references to your site. Which means that you might well be in the sandbox already,depends whether Google comes back and caches more pages..or not.
    Good Luck
    GEM
     
    Solicitors Mortgages, Oct 22, 2004 IP
  6. Help Desk

    Help Desk Well-Known Member

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  7. Trance-formation

    Trance-formation Peon

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    bugger... it's gone

    ah, such shortlived glory :eek:
     
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  8. Lever

    Lever Deep Thought

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    Keep plugging away at it Trance, aswell as building the links, continue to add good content and you could get good rankings and traffic for associated terms too. You'll get there.
     
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  9. caroline

    caroline Peon

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    There's definitely the *beep*ing sandbox effect going on. I registered a new domain for a keyphrase I am targeting, worked hard to create 10s of relevant pages, which only rank for obscure queries. And when I create a page about this topic in the site I already have, it ranks in the top 10!!! I mean, is that stupid or what?
     
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  10. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    My experience, albeit limited, supports debunks statements.
     
    Will.Spencer, Oct 23, 2004 IP
  11. Trance-formation

    Trance-formation Peon

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    Hey... it's back!!
     
    Trance-formation, Oct 28, 2004 IP
  12. schlottke

    schlottke Peon

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    #12
    A term like nursing nlp would only require a couple acklinks with that text in them to place high (if any), so that is why their is likely no effect holding it down in the SERPs. Now for a page that requires a lot more BLs it will take more and more time for all of these links to 'stand up and be counted'. I'd say it is probably a combination of both google taking time to find them and "remember" the anchor text, and a part of their algo. Only speculation, but it seems right to me.
     
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  13. Tapanti

    Tapanti Peon

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    I have seen this effect of new sites going to the top, and then falling to the end, happening repeatedly, but I have also seen that somehow “new” forum sites don’t suffer this kind of penalization so toughly as the rest of the sites.

    Therefore, you might ask what is considered "a new site"?

    Do you think it would only be treated as a new site, a site that has just been registered, and recently added to the database?

    Or can also be considered a new site, a site that has experienced an important change in its content, and diverges greatly from the cached copy stored in the database?

    Because if that was the case and “new” sites go to the top for a while and then are dropped to the bottom of the SERPs, one could get around the “sandbox effect” by constantly changing the content of the “new” site.

    I know doing this might sound a little odd, but this is exactly what a forum does, it does constantly changes its content and this might be the reason why forums are so stable, once the achieve good SERPs.

    Has anyone else noticed the effect being softer on new forum sites?

    .
     
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  14. Trance-formation

    Trance-formation Peon

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    Bugger, it's gone again
     
    Trance-formation, Oct 29, 2004 IP
  15. schlottke

    schlottke Peon

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    You're going to fluxuate in and out when your page is new simply because you don't have enough links pointing to hold the page there. Right now the spider sees you page similar to the forum pages that pop up there and will go 'bye bye' after a while (usually..)
     
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  16. TheBrokenOne

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    My site went top for keyword "I Am Skill" when it first got indexed (30 million results or so for that keyword..), stayed no.1 for 2 months then vanished. The site was firmly sandboxed until this jagger yolk & never ranked anywhere...tis slowly climbing for some terms now(top 50 or so). If the keyword is in the domain name you'll get a ranking for a while but don't expect it to last.
     
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    I have a new site and the SERPS are all over the place. Is it much more inconsistent than it used to be?
     
    Sagewing, Nov 8, 2005 IP