Embrace Islam or leave Valley, Sikhs are getting threatened in Kashmir

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  2. sar420

    sar420 Notable Member

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    Its sad. First kashmiri pundits were ethnically cleansed from the valley, and now Sikhs are being threatened. Islamic fundamentalism needs to be caged
     
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    I don't think anyone is up for taking on that task. George Bush tried and the American people voted for Barack Obama in response.
     
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    Its not exactly Islamic fundamentalism, its the mentality of the people staying in the valley. They just do not want anybody from outside to come and stay. Every single day they are brainwashed into doing one thing or the other. For how many years can a person or a community fight ?? someday it will all cool down.
     
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    actually they want Freedom from India and join themselves with Pakistan but the Indian Army killing 100 of Kashmirs every day just because they are protesting against India
     
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    Who told you they want to join Pakistan? They want complete independence (they'd be freaking out of their minds to want to join Pakistan)..and I'm only talking about some 70% MUSLIMS of the Kashmir valley. The state of Jammu and Kashmir also includes the regions of Jammu and Ladakh. Jammu has a predominantly Hindu population and Ladakh has a majority Buddhist population. Both those regions do not want to disintegrate from India. That leaves out a very tiny area of the Kashmir valley..and I wouldn't mind giving it independence but for the fact that they would soon become another stronghold of fundamentalism.
     
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    They donot want complete Independence because every year they wave Pakistani Flag on 14 and 15 august
     
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    First give Independence to Balochistan before talking shit about other countries internal matter. Kid.
     
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    thats a wrong notions. hindus who are kashmiris and lived there for since time immemorial were driven out of their homes by the muslims.
     
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    Just because a handful of oddballs do that..does not mean that the whole of Kashmir wants to merge with Pakistan. You really think any country would want to merge with Pakistan today? It would be a MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) thing to do.

    Yup, exactly. And also create a separate homeland for Ahemdiyas, who are treated so badly...Let me not get started about the fate of religious minorities in Pakistan. They're even being discriminated against in the flood aid...
     
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    That's not what the data suggests. It sounds like you've been brainwashed by the almost non-stop propaganda which the Pakistani government force feeds into the minds of it's people.
     
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    that's how your media and others have brain washed u in ur nation, though there are some elements who do that, they are known as Separatists, who let their children to study abroad but ask the people's children to stop education and fight for freedom - a double standard - no one is going to respect those lunatics policies.

    Just for your information, In Jammu, Ladakh etc.. in parts of JK Indian flag, flags high even in non importance days, the only issue is with kashmir valley, here the people's ideologies differ - when they are provoked they act as goons

    now stop talking about our land before knowing the ground level facts and talk about Balochistan ? May be they are flying their own flags on 14th august probably :p

    try to live peacefully, solution lies in the peace :)

    peace!!!
     
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    I hate to be unsympathetic here, but perhaps the peaceful non-Muslims should just leave the damned valley. It's obvious that the Indian government cannot or will not protect these people and that their ability to protect themselves is extremely limited. The smart move is to relocate families to safer regions within the more "core" regions of India. Yes, this is very hard for people who are already living on the edge of economic survival, but the long term payoff (of not being slaughtered by Islamists) is positive.
     
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    All the minorities in Kashmir can be relocated to Jammu. Jammu is majority Hindu and they don't take shit from Islamists.
     
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    No all separatists from kashmir should be relocated to an isolated island of andaman where they can impose sharia and live peacefully for ever.
     
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    No point, they'll start asking for the Andamans to be a separate country and impose Sharia law on the shrinking tribal community living there. Unless you mean a big jail in the andamans...
     
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    no need to be sympathetic, the hindu pandits has already left the valley, rather i say driven away or more apt will be ethnic cleansed from the valley. now it seems to be the turn of the sikhs. dont think theres much jewish etc population in the valley.
     
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    they they would demand for Independent Andaman as nation. They might burn the trees and create forest fire :eek:
     
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    Islam is very popular in U.S. prisons. The following is an excerpt from thr Testimony J. Michael Waller, Annenberg Professor of International Communication at the Institute of World Politics, before the Subcommittee on Terrorism, Technology and Homeland Security:

    Radical Islamist groups, most tied to Saudi-sponsored Wahhabi organizations suspected by the U.S. government of being closely linked to terror financing activities, dominate Muslim prison recruitment in the U.S. and seek to create a radicalized cadre of felons who will support their anti-American efforts. Estimates place the number of Muslim prison recruits at between 15-20% of the prison population. They are overwhelmingly black with a small, but growing Hispanic minority. It appears that in many prison systems, including Federal prisons, Islamist imams have demanded, and been granted, the exclusive franchise for Muslim proselytization to the forceful exclusion of moderates.

    • The Graduate School of Islamic and Social Sciences (GSISS) trains prison chaplains. It trained Imam Umar the Bureau of Prisons chaplain who was fired after the Wall Street Journal profiled his post-September 11th extremist rhetoric.
    • The Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) refers Muslim clerics to the U.S. Bureau of Prisons.

    The Agenda

    • "Yvonne Haddad, an academic who studies Muslims in America, noted in a lecture at Stanford University that the two loci of Islamic awakening in the United States are the university and the prison. It makes sense to connect these two centers of Islamic activity for sake of establishing Islam in the United States."

    Radical Imams

    • "In the U.S., just two weeks after the September 11 attacks, Muslim Chaplain Aminah Akbarin at New York's Albion Correctional Facility was put on paid administrative leave after telling inmates that Osama bin Laden should be hailed as "a hero to all Muslims" and that the terror attacks were the fault of President Bush?.According to published reports, radical Islamists—Muslims who follow a rigid interpretation of the Koran called Wahhabism—have put a high priority on reaching disaffected inmates around the world and recruiting them for their own deadly purposes."
    • Some prison-oriented groups prey on that disaffection. A leader of the Chicago-based Institute of Islamic Information & Education (III&E) said after 9/11, "I know that Osama bin Ladin is a true Muslim with in depth knowledge of the Qur'an and teachings of the Prophet. I would never suspect that he would do anything against the teachings of Islam and harm anyone who is a civilian and has not taken up arms against Islam or Muslims?." "I would absolve the Taliban from any part of the air crashes at the WTC, the Pentagon and other place?."

    The Islamist Appeal

    • The prison recruitment question is occurring worldwide. "Dr. Theodore Dalrymple, a prominent psychiatrist who often works in British prisons, says Islam has assumed a presence disproportionate to the relatively small number of Muslim inmates (Four-thousand Muslims are among the 67,500 inmates)? 'A visitor to our prisons might be forgiven for concluding that Britain was an Islamic country,' Dalrymple wrote in London's Daily Telegraph. 'He would reach this conclusion because he would see a vast amount of Islamic literature . . . quite unmatched in quantity by any Christian literature, which is conspicuous mainly by its absence.'? Islam, Dalrymple says, is attractive to inmates 'because it revenges them upon the whole of society? By converting to Islam, the prisoner is therefore expressing his enmity toward society in which he lives and by which he believes himself to have been grossly maltreated.'"
    • "A key area of recruitment, the sources said, are U.S. prisons and jails, where al Qaeda and other organizations have found men who have already been convicted of violent crimes and have little or no loyalty to the United States? 'It's literally a captive audience, and many inmates are anxious to hear how they can attack the institutions of America,' said one federal corrections official."​
     
    Will.Spencer, Aug 31, 2010 IP