When you "look at Jerusalem" etc., I hope you recollect all your attempts to fight Israel? Just dont forget that.
I agree. I also suspect that Mubarak was pressured to step down by leaders of other Arab/Mulsim countries out of fear that if the demonstrations in Egypt went on for too long, they might catch on in other Arab nations. Sure, I'll go with that, too!
I don't think Mubarak was pressured at all. I think he was buying time to get his billions together and then flee to Saudi Arabia and then the UK.
It could happen, but lets not forget the Brotherhood only represents 20-30% of Egypt. By any definition, that is a minority. If you are watching the same video I am, I see a whole bunch of people that are sick of lack of representation, and oppression by a minority. If the Egytians were to permit the Brotherhood to rise to power, they would be trading off oppression by one minority for extreme oppression by another, and their cause seems more widespread and genuine than that. Then again, the saying goes if something can go wrong, it will. Only time will tell. Only you or breezewood could equate espionage to theft. Stepped down with pressure from the US Govt. no less. I guess we are on the same page as the Egyptian people. Don't recall anyone making that claim, though we do pay their salaries. Yah, there are a few nutjobs in every crowd. We get em here too, wearing Nazi symbols and popping up with racist signs. Thank god they are an extreme minority. Whose crowd do you pollute? Sounds like wishful thinking, my pornography promoting friend. What will you do with yourself if Egypt gets the free government they are asking for and the Brotherhood remains the tiny minority they are now? Won't you feel singled out as a hater when all your neighbors want peace?
I think, anybody who will come to power next in Egypt, will be much better than Mubarak for Egypt, whether they were Muslim Brotherhood, or else, because no matter who will be in power, they will not be US puppets, the topic in case you did not notice, was not about the salaries, keep your money, Egyptians got their country back, but since you spoke about the US aid to Egypt, with 70 billion dollars personal fortune of Mubarak family, and without mentioning other personal fortunes of others who belong to Mubarak's regime, I think US has been paying somebody else than the Egyptian army, or Egyptian people, 2 billion yearly US aid to Egypt, if it all went to Mubarak, he would have 60 billions, so you can keep your aid as I mentioned before, and Egyptian will still have 10 billion at least in the next 30 years, much better than -10 Billion 1.5 or 2 billions are for keeping a puppet happy, not salaries, you should be happy now, cos you can use these 2 billions to pay some of the around 10,000 billion US net debt, as been mentioned earlier, enough to stop corruption, and sell gas for market price, to put 25 billion in Egypt's safe each year, I think American people will need these 1.5 or 2 billions more.
Theoretically true... But are you sure about their real causes? I'm not as well as about if they are not manipulated by I don't know whom. But time will show, agree.
I think Mubarak will go to the home of all deposed dictators - France. I wonder if other Muslim countries may be afraid to have him around? He could be considered a lightning rod for revolution.
Anyone who comes to power next? How about Ariel Sharone? LoL. Obviously there are people who could come to power that would have you begging to have Mubarak back, despite the obvious fact you don't live in Egypt. There are also a lot of people who could come to power that would make most Egyptians beg to have Mubaraak back, and I'm pretty sure the Muslim brotherhood is on that list. It is quite an interesting value system you have, that any leadership is acceptable so long as they don't get along with the US. I would have figured the rights of Muslims and Egyptian citizens would be higher on most people's lists. And here I thought you spent all your time complaining about how much money we give to Israel. Also, I think your math skills need a bit of work. If Mubaraak put 5 billion in his account in 1980, it would be worth over 50 billion today at nice low 8%. Considering we have paid 78 billion to egypt since that date, that leaves 72 billion for the Egyptians, and more specifically, the Egyptian army. Consider this. Right now, the army runs Egypt, and we pay all their salaries. Did we just cut out the middle man ? You might also want to consider the fact we will not be slowing down the money supply to Israel.
ever heard about common sense? the wall of fear has been broken, begging is what they used to do in torture chambers, and for food while standing in queues for a very low quality bread, and in what been known as death boats trying to immigrate to Europe, and in jails for speaking their opinion, and in trying to get a work contract in some Gulf state, not anymore, whatever they choose now, it will be their choice, not yours, or mine, or US or else .. getting a long is not the word I used, it was "puppet" , but do you mean Egyptian rights that been almost non-existent, when US and Egypt regime were "getting along"? even better, now after hopefully corruption is gone with Mubarak regime, they will have 25 billion at the end of this year to put in an account, they are very happy now and celebrating cos Mubarak is gone, but after they know about your math skills, I m sure they will be much happier that they removed Mubarak the money you pay to the illegal state of Israel, is your problem not mine, or Egypt's, not sure why you mentioned it, but since you mentioned, it will be good that you keep it for American people too, they need it more now.
The present Administration should speak to the Egyptian people and not rely on the Egyptian army as the fall back for US interests. Whether there is a change in policy towards Gaza by the Egyptian Army or a signal to them and their adherence to it from the US will be an interesting turn of events. Was there ever a need to quarantine the Gaza Strip per the previous Administration as opposed to implementing the necessary solutions for the needs of all the diverse parties involved in the conflicts of the Middle East? As far as Bush and the Republicans, they have again squandered billions for a despot that just got deposed and are now again relying on a military to control civilian rule. The present Administration hopefully already realizes the errors of the past and will be conciliatory in the future.
Breeze - I'm sorta curious how a president that was in office from 2000 - 2008 is in your opinion the architect of policies that were in place two decades before he took office and two years afterward, or how the republicans can be solely responsible for policies that have been in place thru administrations of both parties over three or so decades. I'm sure in your world it makes sense though. Do you really type this stuff or are there a million monkeys in your room?
You said any leader. What you are now saying is any leader you approve of? Mubarak wasn't a US puppet any more than the Egyptian Military we pay for is. Egypt started receiving larger amounts of US $$$ when Anwar Sadat decided to quit waging war. Call it an incentive for peace. I was just pointing out your idiotic number one criteria for a new leader is anti-US sentiment. Thank god you aren't representative (or even an Egyptian). Wow. You really think corruption in Egypt will instantly disappear? You really think there is 25 billion sitting around waiting for Egypt? I mentioned it because we provide aid to a lot of foreign countries that don't behave obscenely, including yours. This year, Jordan will get nearly half a billion dollars from the US. Perhaps that makes you our puppet as well. When Jordan falls, I suppose we'll probably cut that funding if people who think like you do take over. My guess is you weren't around in 1967, which is why you spend your time talking up a war you would most definitely get your ass kicked in. The loss of a half a billion dollars would just be the icing on the cake.
One day you might have something more to say than it was someone else's fault but I doubt it. Gaza at the time, the previous cycle that I might suggest the Bush Administration had some role in but of course not one of responsibility by your account, was an opportunity to bridge the divide between opposing parties and seek lasting solutions for the ongoing conflict in the Middle East. in short: .... The Bush Administration chose instead policies of coercion and derision that all but insured failure as witnessed presently in Egypt and the contempt in Iraqi for the American Military that is told by the Iraqi people to leave that country in entirety this summer. Rather than lasting relationships billions over billions were wasted on unnecessary conflicts with nothing to gain but in the shallow ego of a person that would rather be elsewhere than complete his own term in a national guard he used in avoiding the very conflicts he imposed on others.
The current year is 2011. Bush was elected in 2000. If you seriously can't figure out that it was stupid to ascribe a policy thats been around thirty years to him, buy a math book.
The year is 2011 and there is a chance for solving problems than continuing them....solid diplomacy by the present Administration is what swells your head.
What I find is oh so very interesting (and should be of concern to Breeze) was the complete and utter failure of Mubaraks' rhetoric. I think it's the center of this story. Honestly, anyone listen to Mubarak's last two speeches? His love for Egypt, the emotional highs, words tender as Tuscan veal. Even Bill Clinton never spoke anything as warm as Mubarak. Certainly if Breeze lived in Egypt he would have been swayed by Mubaraks' flowery words. And the people of Egypt saw right past Mubarak's words and absolutely did not believe the bullshit. Words are no substitute for action. And now, the Swiss have frozen Mubarak's bank accounts. It's not clear whether Egypt's present "government" asked the Swiss to freeze Mubarak's billions. I think he has some very influential enemies. It should be interesting to see what happens to Mubarak over the next month. I really and sincerely broke up laughing when I read Breeze's latest hypocritical post. He never has something more to say other than it was someone else's fault. Sometimes I think Breeze is just the dopey court jester, acting the fool for our own personal amusement. Maybe he gets off on his own personal humiliation?
If by solid diplomacy you mean pissing off our allies and lending aid to our enemies by carefully studying the situation and then having various members of the administration come down solidly on all sides of it... Then yes, this has been a sterling example. That said, the thread is not about your hatred for Bush nor your crush on his successor. Try to keep up. Meanwhile, back on the actual topic The people of Egypt have a historic opportunity to select their own leadership thru free and fair elections if they can avoid having the power vacuum filled by nut cases in the interim. In a region where leadership is officially a family business or sham democracies see their rulers perpetuated by amazing (ie - dubious) 99% electoral victories, that'd be a rarity. It would be nice to see it happen in a truly representative fashion, but they need to be careful. If they choose poorly they'll probably see "one man - one vote" turn into "one man - one vote - one time".