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DP back after long outage [2/6/2008]

Discussion in 'Support & Feedback' started by TheOwner, Jun 2, 2008.

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  1. mybluehair

    mybluehair Peon

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    #101
    I knew it was going to happen.
    before all this, I noticed the servers having just a complete meltdown. every page took 3 hours to load on here. I think shawns servers got flouded with way to much traffic or something, then finally gave out.
    SEMrush
     
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  2. aaron_nimocks

    aaron_nimocks Im kind of a big deal Staff

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    #102
    Your welcome. :)

    It would be really good link bait right now to make a story up about how The Planet was lying for the purpose of link bait.

    They might take legal action against you though.
     
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    BigFatMan Banned

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    #103
    I couldn't access the forum for hours. What was the issue actually?
     
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    Idle Play Notable Member

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    #104
    That was actually my idea after your first post ;) I think I will give it a miss though, I can't afford anyone else trying to sue me this month.
     
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  5. hlln

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    #105
    I wonder how big the database is.
     
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    #106
    I heard there was a DoS attack, of makes sense
     
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  7. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #107
    A DoS does not cause a server to be reachable and a database to not be reachable...
     
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    #108
    was down for 12 hours at my end :D I went out side... :p I heard DP and some other major sites went on a all nighter(clubbing) and thus they all got bad hangovers the next day, which in turn caused loss of data.
     
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  9. hlln

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    #109
    which club did they go to ? :eek: :p
     
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  10. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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  11. Idle Play

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    #111
    What if the database server was the target of the DoS attack?
     
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  12. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #112
    IMO it would be crazy to host your database separate from your web server.
     
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    #113
    Indeed it can. It's all about the type of the attack and where the attack is targeted to.
     
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    #114
    Almost every large site I can think of splits their database server off from their web server. I expect a database the size of DP is split across several database servers and kept in sync (well, most of the time) :rolleyes:
     
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  15. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #115
    Ok, I guess I am not being clear enough... By split the db from the web server, I did not mean the physical server, but the geographic location.

    Let's think about this for a second. If the web server was say in San Diego, and the DB server was in Houston, then yes, the planet could be to blame... But, again, I think you would have to be crazy to separate a web server from a db server by thousands of miles, and different networks...

    Lets now assume it was a DoS... That DoS, it would stand to reason would affect more than just the DB server itself. Given that all the servers appear to be at the same physical location, it seems highly unlikely there was a DoS to blame, especially since Digital Point was still online.

    Finally, the most obvious and telling reason why this was not a DoS is the fact that the error message show below is generated by the server/VB software when the web server cannot communicate with the DB. If there was a DoS you would not see the database error message. You would more than likely experience a total time out, or a site unreachable message.

    [​IMG]
     
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    #116
    I'm not saying it was about The Planet or something but talking in general; that completely is up to the power of the attack. I'm pretty experienced with DDoS, botnet and stuff. The biggest webmaster forum of Turkey which I administrate gets gigabits of botnet attacks every day, so you can count on me about this.
     
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    #117
    Turkish web master boards r10?

    They are fools I know one of the Russian guy who attacks in patterns of sequences over their with botnet..

    The power of the attack is not important after a while. With the fire burners you could stop the attacks partially. And with the software you could auto ban useless ip bots. I'm not very informative about this but. I used to have a boy friend working at Burstnet.
     
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    #118
    It could be a number of things. No, you wouldn't host your database on a seperate network, that'd be crazy (and slow). All I am saying is that a DoS attack could have targeted the database server and that died first, not every server on the network. I am not familiar with how/when vBulletin displays the database problem page.

    My guess is that it was a routine database restart (or maintenance) due to the speed of the site over the past few days and they simply had trouble getting it all back running / syncd again. Although, with that said, if I were the owner I'd simply blame The Planet anyway :)

    I just remembered when The Planet took over EV1 and I kept asking the EV1 support if they were... "Taking over The Planet" ha ha.
     
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    #119
    Yes, r10. We've tried almost everything but after some time we start getting millions of bytes of DDoS per second. There is really nothing you can do about it after a while other than disconnecting the server, unless you have over $100k to spend into firewalls and such. Only if they were brave enough to face me in reality.. :rolleyes:
     
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    #120
    No, you wouldn't host your database on a separate network, that'd be crazy (and slow).

    Matrix Grid computing , clustering ? I have over 100.000+ active users on my whole network(different niches) I use separate servers for Database inquiry why say that ? Grid computing is much more effective i believe.
     
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