Domain ranking question

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by leswoody, Feb 22, 2009.

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    If your targeting a keyword for example "Used Cars" , And all the top TLDs are take like .com, .co.uk etc.... but usedcars.name is still available is it worth getting.

    Let's say you have usedcars.name and gain backlinks with the anchor Used Cars
    Can you still rank top page in google and get extra juice as you have the sole keyword domain.

    For example .. usedcars.com would get better serp juice that usedcarsmarket.com, so would usedcars.name also get the extra push from google?
     
    leswoody, Feb 22, 2009 IP
  2. tim-buchalka

    tim-buchalka Active Member

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    usedcarsmarket.com would not necessarily get less serp juice than usercars.com

    It all depends on a number of factors, including backlinks, age of domain, optimization on page, etc.

    The url is only one part of it. And also remember you can add your keyword to a directory and the filename.

    For example

    used-cars-here-now.com/usedcars/used-cars.html

    (for example).

    I've found doing this will get you better results than just a domain. It's also important to get your anchor text "correct" e.g. your keyword for your backlinks.

    I hope this helps.

    Cheers



    Tim
     
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  3. leswoody

    leswoody Peon

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    Well for me there is no doubt the domain name is a major ranking factor.

    Lets say you have usedcars.com with 5000 backlinks and it's five years old

    You have usedcarsmarket.com same backlinks, same age etc

    without doubt, the .com would out rank it, and dominate the top spot on google.
     
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  4. tim-buchalka

    tim-buchalka Active Member

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    They are both .com?

    I assume you mean the usedcars.com would rank better than usercardsmarket.com ?

    I would not agree with your general statement. There is no guarantee that this would be the case, as both domains have your major keyword in it.

    There is a 50% guarantee, no more, no less.

    Having done this hundreds of time over the years I can safely say this from experience.

    Cheers



    Tim
     
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  5. leswoody

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    Well that's your opinion.. an example i did... buy a domain, yoursite.com and yoursite1.com give them one back link each and build them exactly the same SEO wise.... and watch when they first get crawled and appear on the serps
    "yoursite.com will appear a lot higher than yoursite1.com.. even though everything is exactly the same other than the number 1 in one domain.
     
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  6. tim-buchalka

    tim-buchalka Active Member

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    Sorry but thats hardly a proper test, come back to me when you have done it 100 times, and you may have a point to make.

    It's up to you, but if your seriously believe you cannot compete with usedcars.com with the domain usedcardmarket.com (your examples) I am here to tell you that you are completely wrong.

    It's all about relevance, quality of backlinks (not just numbers), optimization, etc. Get that right and you will nail your competition everytime.

    Heres an example, google coolest guy on the internet

    Brad fallon is winning, purely because he has the most backlinks, etc. You will see many other competitors with the exact keyword phrase in the url, and he is still beating them out.

    There are many many examples of people competing even without the keyword in their url. Amazon is a classic example of a giant of a website that beats out many other ones even though it's not particular relevant and does not have the keyword in the url.

    Cheers



    Tim
     
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    "exact keyword phrase domain names win every time. Even in competitive markets with very little in-bound links."
     
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  8. tim-buchalka

    tim-buchalka Active Member

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    I won't even start discussing authority sites since you want to hang onto your beliefs.

    You go on believing that, and I will go on outranking sites like yours in both competitive and semi competitive markets.

    All the best for the future (with your fixed attitude, I'd say you going to need it).

    Cheers



    Tim
     
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  9. leswoody

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    Well lets see what other peoples opinions are on this post.

    "exact keyword phrase domain names win every time. Even in competitive markets with very little in-bound links."
    True or False?
     
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    tim-buchalka Active Member

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    Maybe I am mis-understanding you.

    Are you saying that an exact keyword phrase will win every time, even in competitive markets, with a smaller number of backlinks? So if you were (say) lucky enough to have

    cars.com and it had 10 backlinks, and I had a domain carsmarket.com with 10,000 quality backlinks, or even 1,000 or heck, even 100 quality backlinks.

    Are you trying to say cars.com would still rank better for the keyword cars?

    Because if that is what you are saying, you are completely wrong, carsmarket.com would dominate cars.com, in fact I highly doubt cars.com would even rank for that term in the first 10 pages.
     
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    when all things are equal then the winner will be the domain which matches the searched phrase more exactly...
    in general more ppl are going to type in 'usedcars.com' than 'usedcarmarket.com' but the usedcars will most likely be qualified with a locality.

    bascially kw research will reveal which kw is the most searched after

    think like your customer very very few people will search for cars in Mr G, so cars.com will not rank when someone types in used cars, unless of course you BL's are very very high and KWs match the phrase well

    in this particular instance the long tail is far better and as such qualified domains match searches far far better
     
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