Does the U.S. Need Election Monitors or is Alex Jones just nuts?

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2008/010908_district_admits.htm

http://homepage.mac.com/rcareaga/diebold/adworks.htm

Maybe the U.S. should take Ahmadinejad up on his offer.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,,2217496,00.html

 

It definitely makes me suspicious, although it could have been just one precinct's error. I'd like to see them make a statement about how exactly they forgot 31 votes?

 

Someone did a statistical analysis on the Ron Paul forums, and basically the chances of getting 0 votes in a town or precinct with over 100 GOP votes, and a candidate who is averaging over 8% is almost nil.

This is the town I mentioned last night in the NH Primary thread. Paul has a few other 0 vote districts IIRC, hopefully they check those as well.

Something sure didn't add up in the #s with "other" picking up more than Hunter and Thompson combined. I mean you have Alan Keyes, and a bunch of nobodies. No money, no debate time, no campaign staff, nothing. I can't see how they could possibly do well in the aggregate, nearly 2.5 times better than two national candidates.

 

Guerilla, I'm going to PM you something. Check it out and let me know what you think.

 

That is sick! 31 votes!!!! Thats a lot of votes and you cant just blame that on human error. This undermines and casts doubt on the whole process. Who's to say that they did not supress other votes from other counties due to human error?

 

Like i have been saying folks. When there is no true oversight how do you know who controls the counting of the votes.

 

You're right. We don't. It's sick!

 

Can't it be both? Alex Jones is nuts, but we do need to monitor our election results. Obama did much worse in NH in towns that used Diebold machines. I'm not saying there was fraud, I'm just saying there is something that should be investigated. As far as Ron Paul, well, I think we are starting to see reality. Online polls mean nothing, and that's showing in the election results. I don't necessarily think there is any fraud here on the part of the rest of the GOP, because Paul is still doing as well as the people we might expect to do something fraudulent, namely Rudy Giuliani. I think Paul is an interesting candidate, but his campaign was doomed a long time ago when it failed to gain any foothold with senior voters. Broad appeal is very hard for a candidate that is not only very different from all of the other candidates but also supports issues that are so far from the recognized societal norms.

 

Fletch's stuff is pretty interesting. Some statistical anomalies are too large to make sense.

What's interesting is that the sum of the positive gains between polling methods for Romney and Giuliani, is exactly the sum of the negative gains by the rest of the field (McCain, Thompson, Huckabee, Paul, Hunter), within 0.01%. It creates a case for vote shifting, based on that coincidence alone.

It would be interesting for a statistician to determine what the statistical probability of Romney gaining almost 7% when going to Diebold machines from hand counted ballots is, given that the only other candidate seeing a gain was Giuliani, at 0.53%.

 

First of all you need to get yourselfs paper ballots. Voting machines can't be safe. If NASA's or the Pentagon's servers can be hacked do you think a crappy voting machine can't?

 

What we really need, is complete open source on the Diebold programs and all other technology used in the process. That, or open balloting.

 

Bravo!!!, now lets hear debunk's and gtechs opinion. My guess is that they feel the vote counting process is fine and we should never question the STATE on it lol

 

What's the point of voter fraud if you're still going to fall far short of victory? It was a winner-take-all primary, so losing by 20 points or losing by 21 points doesn't make much of a difference.

 

heh, going nuts?

LMAO!

He's been there, a long time.

I'll have to go back and dig the post up I made in the Iowa Caucus thread, about how if RP didn't do well in the voting, because he polls bad as well, tons of conspiracy theories would start cropping up.

Looks like the "but, but, but it's diebold...voter fraud...etc" is starting make it's rounds again. Despite looking at the real picture with an honest and open mind. He polled fifth in Iowa, he got fifth. He polled fifth in NH, he got fifth.

Time to stock up on the tinfoil!

 

they were abounding in the NH polls thread last night! And to correct you, here in SC, tinfoil is actually made out of aluminum....its a better alloy and can repel more frequencies.

 

Paper ballots is what got George Bush Elected. Anyone remember hanging chads?

 

How about both?



The electronic voting machines are just absolutely unacceptable. Something does need to be changed.

 

LOL you are psychic

He finds nothing wrong with 31 votes missing from one town or precinct for a candidate.

No wonder Bush managed 2 terms with that kind of apathy.

 

It's significant, because it is so glaringly obvious. We're talking about Romney gaining 9% over Huckabee when it moved from hand counts to Diebold.

And on hand counts, Paul beats Giuliani, but when moving to Diebold, there is a 3.6% swing in Giuliani's favor.

 

This doesn't just address the Paul campaign, it affects every campaign.

I cross referenced precinct results by polling method, and saw if there was any key differences. Guiliani gained half a point, everyone lost chunks, and Romney gained almost 7 full points. It's all listed below, check it out. Should Romney be gaining 7 points just by polling method? Particularly because results were so uniform across New Hampshire last night with not much fluctuation, this seemed weird to me.


Hand Counted Results vs. Machine Results
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http://jfletch.com/hand_vs_machine.jpg


Voter Data by Precinct -- Sources Included
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http://jfletch.com/nh_votes.xls