Does sites need to have PR to get accepted into DMOZ?

I won't call him a "pest", just confused. I think he has this grand idea of himself as statesman that can help the poor DMOZ editors and webmasters community by enlightening them and teaching them how to co-exist and co-operate. That is part of the reason that he flip flops and tries to please both sides and then gets angry when he is not "appreciated."

What he doesn't get is that both side of this issue know much more than he does and are quite aware of the problems and solutions but there is no peaceful solution. Those who benefit from corruption, will not give up their profits and those who want to clean the directory will continue fighting. The lines have been drawn in the sand a long time ago.

 

Interesting theory. Which side are you on?

 

Do you need to ask?

 

Didn't think you would confess publicly anymore than you dare oppose the corruption you complain about in case you lose your editall job. What was that about need ing to kiss something.

 

I see that you are still upset about DMOZ links prices going down.

 

Wouldn't like to take that cheap shot away from you, but are you not getting anyone asking for you to use your editall account to do corrupt listings anymore? Well never mind go and look up your porn links and paediphile links. That should console you.

 

I had a site (www.bigdogbowl.com) accepted into DMOZ in about a month at the begining of 2005. Never thought it was a big deal, but I have not tried since...

Karl

http://fastercats.com
http://pacsjournal.com
http://market-match.info

 

thank you very much for your answers guys.

what do you mean by "problem urls"? I understand you are a DMOZ "insider"...would you be so kind to let me know(PM if you prefer) about the status of my of submittal? was it refused, put on hold, or?

thanks

 

Sorry, TheAlchemist, sometimes it's easy to forget that others might know the things that are commonplace knowledge to an editor.

Our QC robot checks for bad urls and places them in the unreviewed for investigation. A bad url might be a site that loads extremely slowly, one that is down temporarily because the site is under reconstruction, the site no longer exists and is for sale, or if it's a deeplink from another site (like a main government or district school site) they might have changed the deeplink url without telling us.

Those show up as red numbers for us, so we'll investigate them and try to see if the site is really gone, is under reconstruction, or has moved to a new URL, which happens often.

In other words, we don't just delete the site offhand because it's a 404 (site unavailable), we try to find the reason and either replace the old url with the new one, or leave an editor note that it's underreconstruction and we're saving it for now, that it's gone (and delete it), or if it's a really nice resource we might put it on our watch list for awhile or in our Bookmarks and see if it does come back.

Other reasons might be that the site is parked or it's been hijacked (stolen) and we'll just delete it.

So, besides reviewing site suggestions, and building categories, editors try to resolve these kind of issues for the benefit of both the web surfer and the site owner (in this case). It helps if a note is left on the site or a redirect to the new url.

No, I'm very sorry, but as long as we can't/don't do that for everyone, it wouldn't be fair for me to show favoritism to one person. (showing favoritism would be considered editor abuse and cause for removal of editing privleges)

Which is why I've turned off my pm features here.

 

Another unwritten BS rule which does NOT exist in official guidelines! How can that be considered favoritism? Favoritism would be if you helped one person and refused everyone else, if your helping everyone who asks for help and that is considered favoritism then you might as well fire all doctors and nurses for not giving all patients a number a tell them to wait their turn which can be from two weeks to several months.

 

Well, I try to be extra careful. The perception of possible abuse is just as bad as actual abuse, so until I'm told otherwise by the meta community that it's ok for all editors to give site status reports, I'll refrain from doing so.

Editors get accused often enough of editor abuse, so when you see one openly refusing to do something that might even look like abuse, you should welcome it.

It's a personal decision.

 

So meta scare tactics work well, remove one editor and everyone else will keep their mouth shut, sounds like really fun community you got there.

Abuse paranoia has effectively destroyed DMOZ, metas are seeing possible spammer in every editor forcing more and more secrecy, one day they will remove robozilla for showing favoritism.

 

Not much secrecy in any of my posts, Ivan, I've explained quite a lot about what it's like inside, from my perspective (which isn't the only perspective).

Meta decisions and discussions I just don't know about, I'm not privy to them, but I do know a lot of the metas and the type of honest, responsible people they are.

My loyalty is to the meta position itself, and despite that loyalty, don't think for one minute that there aren't metas who can't stand me, I talk too much. Some probably like me, and some don't, but I've never been treated unfairly by any of them, and I've never asked for or been given any special favors.

I'm no different or better than the newest of editors, I just have a little more experience.

 

Another thing about site status reports that you're not considering is that not every editor has access to other areas of the Directory. For instance, I edit in Regional/US and I can see the site suggestions there, but, I can't see the site suggestions in Croatia, England, or any other country or Topic category that I don't have editing permissions in.

That means the job would mainly fall on the shoulders of editall and meta editors, who are some of the busiest editors in the Directory, and limited in numbers. Those people would have to handle tens of thousands of requests that other editors couldn't get to, instead of reviewing new editor applications, and all the other things they do.

The logistics just aren't there.

 

You can always test url by attempting to list it, if it was deleted before as spam it will show in editor notes (or even better big red tag on top)!

How do you think I got into trouble and I had access to only few obscure categories.

 

Well, that's true. I don't do many half adds, so I'd forgotten about that. Gosh, it irks me to say Ivan was correct about something, but you are.

 

Few more weeks and you will join my cult.