Does Page Rank Even Matter?

Discussion in 'Google' started by James Dean Nash, Aug 17, 2007.

  1. #1
    I hear all of the fuss about Google page rank updates and what not but I have come to believe a long time ago that page rank isn't what it's cracked up to be. Meaning I don't think it means a whole lot anymore unless your the one selling text links.

    Reason why I think this is because to many people seem to focus to much of their time on page rank and not enough on providing unique content and really good authoritive links. Also they dropped the supplemental tag because too many webmasters were focusing to much time on supplementals so they dropped them as well.

    A great guy named Jonathan Leger seems to agree as well. Read what Jon has to say http://www.jonathanleger.com/does-pagerank-matter
     
    James Dean Nash, Aug 17, 2007 IP
  2. Blogsip

    Blogsip Well-Known Member

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    I don't think it matters to much, unless you are selling links.
     
    Blogsip, Aug 17, 2007 IP
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    kentuckyslone Notable Member

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    Page Rank has become somewhat of a status symbol. While I do not think that Page Rank is anywhere as important as a lot act like it is I do see that it has a value.

    Something that is worth much much more than PR is your search engine results position (SERPs) and traffic.

    There are two sides to the PR value question. Yes, those who sell links are interested in PR, but so are those who buy links. If link buyers were not concerned about PR then there would eb no reason whatsoever for sellers to be concerned about it.

    My advice to anyone who is buying or selling links - Concentrate on:
    Relevance
    Traffic/SERPs
     
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  4. James Dean Nash

    James Dean Nash Peon

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    Yep exactly what I said. It's Just I see so many people worrying their butts off about PR and It really doesn't mean crap anymore unless you the seller.
     
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  5. James Dean Nash

    James Dean Nash Peon

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    My thoughts Exactly
     
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    stock_post Prominent Member

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    It does matter for sure.

    If not what is the other measure for a site to be good/bad?

    Alexa is a Joke, so we need some way of determining the sites capacity/strength etc.

    So, I fell some kind of system is needed.
     
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    Kuldeep1952 Active Member

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    Pagerank is just one of the many variables which go into the ranking of a Page. It is just the most visible and quantified.
     
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  8. James Dean Nash

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    How about relevant, unique, fresh content. A great user experience.

    I'm telling you within the next year or two their will be no more little green bar just like the supplemental tag because too many people are focusing too much time on that green bar plus it is compromising the integrity of the algorithm because people see a higher green bar then they sell links which Google doesn't like bought links.
     
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    kentuckyslone Notable Member

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    And how about SERPS? The bottom line for any website is traffic. Without good SERPs targeted traffic is hard to come by.
     
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  10. James Dean Nash

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    Well your serp doesn't necessarily mean you have a horrible site it just might not be optimized correctly.
     
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    kentuckyslone Notable Member

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    Neither does having low PR.

    I did not intend to infer that a site not doing well in SERPs was a bad site. I only meant to say that your SERPs are a good indication of how well you have optimized and promoted your website. In other words I would much rather have a PR0 site that appears on the first page or two for target keywords than a PR5 that does not.
     
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  12. mdvaden

    mdvaden Active Member

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    Well, did you see the page I posted some weeks back?

    http://www.mdvaden.com/tower_of_google.shtml

    Apparently bugged a couple of people who negative "rep'd" me for disagreeing with them.

    Got some green rep too though - more than red :D

    I just realized I still have this one online. Thought it might have been gone, because I removed it from my links page.

    Too many landscapers visit my site, and I decided not to keep too much of my website strategy where they can get to it all the time.
     
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    choice Prominent Member

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    #13
    yes it matters as it affects your serps

    plus if like me you run web directories pr is a good selling point
     
    choice, Aug 17, 2007 IP
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    PR is a part of the algo google uses to rank you page in the SERPs and regardless how small of a factor PR may be in some cases it may be enough to get you one spot higher resulting in more traffic. PR also goes hand in hand with backlinks so don't go writing it off too quickly. If you focus on creating a high quality site the PR will come.
     
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    Doctorlove Well-Known Member

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    LOL. sounds like it does not matter to many here, including me, but it does matter. Your serps goes up, and also your searches in google will land higher..

    dl
     
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    I have seen many different times where someone has said that PR affects your SERPs. Maybe this is true. I am not going to refute it.

    Here is an interesting test anyone can do:

    Search any keyword or phrase. Look at the first 10 or 20 websites listed and note their PR values. Would you expect to see them listed in order of highest PR first? If so you will be surprised. Many many times PR1 and PR0 pages will appear before PR5 or PR6. I have done this with a lot of different searches and have found there to be no correlation between PR and how the pages are listed.
     
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    A friend of mine who is an old-timers had resisted all of 5 months to believe PR is important for every sites. He used to say that quality & unique contents were much more important for SERPs than PR.

    Suddenly - he showed me a case study where one some-one was offering a onetime bonus to anyone who would put his site on first page of Google for a certain keyword.

    Some-one did it in 10 days and got the money.

    This case study busted all of my friends well-guarded ideas when I showed him --4 PR7 inbound links with the anchor did the tric.

    So he accepted his defeat yesterday and now believes PR is still the most important factor (though there are some minor things) that effect SERPs.
     
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    Its a good way in knowing how often a google will crawl a page.
     
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    I dont sell links or that kind of stuff but I am concerned about PR. Because SERP position depends on it. Not totally of course but has a role. And also when the Google Dance is on there is a lot of volatility.

    For example I was on the 7th position on a certain keyword before the dance begun. After the dance begun I was on 6th position for the same keyword which boosted my traffic. Then a few days later i fell down to 9th position.

    I think you should be concerned about pagerank even if you dont sell links or dont want to show off. Of course, if you want traffic to your site.
     
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    I think it matters for us Webmasters, but I highly doubt a normal person would care about Pagerank, if you go ask people what's pagerank, they won't have a clue (some, not all of course).

    I think what matters the most is that it should have quality, and good SE friendly content, and is high ranked on Google etc, and a web site that has been well promoted and has high traffic.
     
    WatchOut, Aug 18, 2007 IP