Does # of PageViews affect SEO?

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by shirsc2, Apr 11, 2006.

  1. #1
    One of my co-workers recently heard that Pageviews may have an affect on SEO. Can anyone confirm or deny this statement?

    For instance, a webpage that gets more traffic and the visitors stay on that page for 1 minute would do better in SEO compared to a site that the visitors stay only for 1 second if all other determining factors were the same.

    Anyone have any ideas?
     
    shirsc2, Apr 11, 2006 IP
  2. aaron_nimocks

    aaron_nimocks Im kind of a big deal Staff

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    #2
    I dont think that is true at all.

    But if you reverse it then it is true. The more SEO you do = more pageviews. :)
     
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  3. Old Welsh Guy

    Old Welsh Guy Notable Member

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    Load of crap! . How exactly aregoogle supposed to know how long people are staying on your site? (apart from toolbar stats).

    Anyhow that is wrong. Nuff said :)
     
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  4. ServerUnion

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    #4
    agreed, there is no way for them to know...
     
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  5. sarahk

    sarahk iTamer Staff

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    Although didn't Alexa base it's rank on the UK surfing logs and from it's toolbar?
     
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    i think it is true and is tracked through google toolbar stats. i believe google had written about this in the patent application, but i'm not positive. just my opinion.
     
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  7. GuyFromChicago

    GuyFromChicago Permanent Peon

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    #7
    One of my coworkers heard that if you stare at the floor for 10 seconds, tap on your desk twice and say I love Goooooooogle really loud 4 times your site's serp improves. Can anyone verify that;)

    I've never seen any evidence that would support the theory that pageviews influence serp postions. I have seen evidence (pretty much everyday) that right now pv's have zero impact on the serps.
     
    GuyFromChicago, Apr 11, 2006 IP
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  8. Old Welsh Guy

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    Here is a simple test. set up a spare machine with the Google TB on (as that is the only way they can get data) also make sure it is advanced features enabled as the others don't send data back. Pick a really uncompetitive phrase, build a site. optimise it poorly so it is like page 10. then set a meta refresh on the site with 0.00000000001 second on it. and let it run for a day or so. This should tell you if it does or not affect the serps..
     
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  9. jimKeough

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    ok, i'll run some tests
     
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  10. sarahk

    sarahk iTamer Staff

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    #10
    I had a coworker years ago who managed to convince a group of users that shaking the mouse makes the sand go through the hour glass more quickly :p
     
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  11. Old Welsh Guy

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    #11

    But Alexa ranking is horse shit :D
     
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    sarahk iTamer Staff

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    #12
    Ofcourse it is but the original question was
    If you're optimising for the search engine called Alexa you'd have to conclude that page views have an impact.

    Thing is, nobody does :)
     
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    Sorry Sarah, after reading this back it sounds as if I was being blunt. It was of course british Sarcasm ;) Being a Kiwi I am sure you get it. It is like Kiwi Sarcasm but without the fighting afterwards ;)
     
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    OWG - no offence taken, you know I'm a fan!
     
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    Sorry shirsc2, but you have to tell your co-worker that what he heard is not true.
     
    ewc21, Apr 11, 2006 IP
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    Case and point. I created a website on Dec 11th that's been lightly promoted. (no link swaps, only about 50 visitors a day from PPC ads) I did link to it from my main site however (PR3) and last google update, my new site went to a PR7 on all 5 pages. I also noticed that blog entries I created on my main site have gone PR7 and they're only 1 month old pages.

    BTW, my main site has over 500K incoming links, 12K pages indexed by google, but I added all of those links in the last 6 months. The links are ads we placed to generate traffic on authority websites, and it worked, over 500 visitors a day at a cost of around $700 a month for the text links. (sales over $20K a month) But now I can sell $28 text links on those PR7 pages and make the $700 back, which is a nice deal. I wonder how much longer google is going to keep our main sites PR down at 3 for adding so many links so fast...will be interesting to see. But as long as the text links are generating sakes, hey, who GAF, right? Bottom line, traffic does not equal PR, but it does equal $$'s.
     
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  17. Old Welsh Guy

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    Leveragin PR is one of the things google is gunning for. You have done well not to mention your sites in your signature. I just hope you have not left an audit trail to your site via your username across other forums/blogs etc :(

    Life is tuff, and Google does not approve of selling pr. Ask Bob of Searchking :D
     
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    #18
    I'm not an SEO expert or even successful adsense publisher yet, and there seem to be so many things that we should or shouldn't do. This question is really directed at the comment made by Old Welsh Guy, but I'll accept answers from anywhere. I tend to use my name as my username on forums, so I guess I would be leaving an audit trail for anyone who cared to follow it, and I certainly have no intention of doing anything that would jeopardise my relationship with Google, yet I notice many of the people on these forums use nicknames, which is more personal to them, but can it cause problems? If I have nothing to hide, and I'm not doing anything wrong then I should have nothing to worry about shouldn't I?
     
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    I do belive it has to do with how long the users stays in the site and the time it returns back to google. The longer somebody stays in a site the more pages he will see(how long can you stare at a single page). And yes it will affect your results. As mentioned within the google patent if the user takes long time or doesn't return to google results after visiting a site than google assigns a positive score assuming that the user found something relevant to his query, therefor pageviewing improves positioning :)


    Pardon my poor english
     
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  20. jimKeough

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    OK, i ran a test and it looks to me that # of page views and length of time someone views the page does NOT effect the ranking.

    I set up three dummy pages simply linked from the text "experiment 1", "experiment 2", and "experiment 3". You can view them at the bottom of our home page: page views and seo

    Over the past month, i made sure the the link "experiment 1" was clicked on more often AND when clicked I didn't leave the page right away. here are google's rankings:
    google rank for seo experiment

    You'll see that the "experiment 1" page is actually last in rank! To me, this shows that placement of a link is important and # of page views have NO importance.

    Maybe i didn't click on "experiment 1" enough for google to change the ranking, so if anyone wants to play along click on experiment 1 and don't leave the page right away. I'll keep an eye on the rankings.
     
    jimKeough, Jun 19, 2006 IP