Does keyword order matter when targetting?

Discussion in 'Keywords' started by andyem, Oct 17, 2006.

  1. #1
    Example: If the phrase: "John jumps high" is searched a million times a day lol and i write a relevant article based on the keywords in the following order: high john jumps bla bla bla high john jumps.

    Will google see them as different phrases or will google just see the three words:

    John + jumps + high

    regardless of order being used when crawling my content, domain name, and /or anchor??

    Thx
     
    andyem, Oct 17, 2006 IP
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  2. seojig

    seojig Well-Known Member Affiliate Manager

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    #2
    i think google consider both phase as a same.i had checked on my keyword digger tool and it shows same result for both the phases.
    u can check it on any keyword checker tool this one is good " keyword digger" search on google and download.
     
    seojig, Oct 18, 2006 IP
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    seo_kate Peon

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    keyword order doesn't matter when u do a broad search but when u do exact search it matters..
     
    seo_kate, Oct 19, 2006 IP
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    I wouldn't say Google considers them as the same phrase, though. Maybe similar, but if you search for John jumps high, then the top pages will most likely be for John jumps high, and the high John jumps will be listed lower, I would guess.
     
    ccano, Oct 24, 2006 IP
  5. HonestHelp

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    #5
    If everyone can say 'John jumps high' In their Content
    And everyone can say 'On tuesday' In their content
    and everyone uses the keywords 'john jumps high on tuesday'

    BUT

    What if.
    I'm the only one that can say "John Jumps High On Tuesday" In their content.

    Does this matter?

    Wouldn't I naturally be ranked higher?
    Most people naturally type in the whole phrase... but only a limited
    number of people can actually _say_ it on the web for the first time.

    Considering the saturatedness of the market... I would imagine this would have a serious impact.

    I don't know beans from grasshoppers though *shrug*
    That's why I'm asking :)
     
    HonestHelp, Oct 28, 2006 IP
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    meatballsandwich Peon

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    Look at it this way. Google makes note of all words seperately and combinations in order. So if you used a keyword like so:
    A-B-C, all three words would be recognized as individual keywords, and the keyword combinations A+B, B+C and A+B+C would also be recognized, but not C-A-B or B-A-C etc.
    I base this theory on the different results displayed when searching for different combinations of any A+B+C type keyword. (I only chose a three letter phrase as an example, but the same would go for any other number or words).

    So if other sites were optimized for 2 seperate keywords, but you were to combine them and turn them into 1, yes you would rank higher (if you had sufficient back-links using the full phrase in the anchor-text). But if the phrase is unique enough, including it in your content a few times would do the trick.
     
    meatballsandwich, Oct 28, 2006 IP
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    cocaine Well-Known Member

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    I dont think both phrase considered as same.
    Of course that doesnot matter if there is not large search results.
     
    cocaine, Oct 29, 2006 IP
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    The pages that rank highest will usually be the ones that come closest to having the phrase as typed in their content, but depending on other factors, sometimes not. It's not black and white. The difference is probably due to whether the terms are seldomly used or generic and the difference in trust between the pages.
    I do phrase search quite often and sometimes the phrase does turn up, sometimes I have to put quotes around it, to find a page with the phrase.
     
    kh7, Oct 29, 2006 IP
  9. HonestHelp

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    #9
    That gives me hope... since there's between 7.7M and 7.9M results
    for those 5 keywords...

    Only about 4000 people can put those 5 words in the same phrase.
    99% of those haven't hit the internet with it yet.

    Boy do I need help LOL
     
    HonestHelp, Oct 29, 2006 IP