Does Google penalize your site for using sub domains with same design?

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  1. ophir.oren

    ophir.oren Peon

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    #21
    google will penalize you for duplicate content no design
     
    ophir.oren, Mar 29, 2007 IP
  2. john269

    john269 Notable Member

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    #22
    By the sounds of things it looks as if they have banned me due to the high amount of duplicate content. I have checked though and I seem to have about 40 - 50% back duplicate pages on different sub domains when I use a duplicate content tool. I thought it was a little higher but it were not.

    The thing that makes me think it is because sub domains aswell is because my site was in Google and each sub domain had the content that they have today, but the design on each sub domain had different colors and was different. But then I made all of the design on each sub domain the same including the colors and then 1 - 2 months later my rankings which were place at #1, #2, #3, and the first page for many disappeared. Even when I typed in my domain name it was positioned 30 - 40 which normally means the 30 penalty.

    I even ranked 5 in google for "articles directory", I ranked about 100 - 150 for "free online games", etc. and these are big keywords in that alot of people try and optimize their site for them. There is quite a few million pages listed for these terms. I once ranked for them and then my site is nowhere.

    I am starting to think it is more about the duplicate content with sub domains than ever.
     
    john269, Mar 29, 2007 IP
  3. jackasian

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    #23
    yes. This happened to me too.
    then after i remove my subdomain, my domain appears again in Google. what a strange..
     
    jackasian, Mar 29, 2007 IP
  4. gogiants

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    #24
    google may not care who you are but do not like you dress same
     
    gogiants, Mar 29, 2007 IP
  5. john269

    john269 Notable Member

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    #25
    This is strange, my main domain is not listed in MSN but all other pages are including sub domains and pages.

    With yahoo, I only have the main domain name and no sub domains listed apart from a few internal pages on each sub domain.

    I don't know what to do.

    If you all had a site that has been online for 5 years and had alot of backlinks to your sub domain pages, but your site were penalized in Google and your sub domains were banned from Yahoo, would you just leave your site as it is or would you put all of the sub domains content onto the main domain and just redirect the sub domains to the new location of the content.

    I really don't know what to do and don't want to play around just incase I loose all of my traffic for it.
     
    john269, Mar 29, 2007 IP
  6. PioneerGold

    PioneerGold Well-Known Member

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    #26
    Believe me, I know just how you feel.

    One minute, the search engines love your website, then all of a sudden they hate everything you were doing.

    I had the same subdomain, multi-domain pointing to the same content problem. One minute its okay, the next, I'm penalized.

    In other words, you are getting hit with a duplicate content penalty.

    On the one hand, if you change your site structure, you lose trafic. If you don't change it, the search engines will continue to hate you.

    It's a fine line, to be sure. But, that's your challenge as a webmaster. Believe me, the problem can be solved. But, it will be a solution specific to your traffic patterns and site goals.

    This problem should be a priority for you. Don't be like me and wait 6 months for it to sort itself out.

    You know the problem, you know your circumstances, you can measure the results, so YOU MUST make some changes, NOW!

    Change a little. Measure impact. Change some more. Measure. Your website will be better for it. :cool:
     
    PioneerGold, Mar 30, 2007 IP
  7. john269

    john269 Notable Member

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    #27
    I have been changing a little here and there all the time, but I am definately keeping all of the content on sub domains now. That is something that I am not changing. I have re-done my homepage, which didn't break any rules, but it mainly had links on it. Infact it had around 75 - 100 links and the only content was really the anchor text in the links. I have now reduced the links and have added some pictures and also much more writing.

    I didn't really do this for the search engines, I did this so that it will be better for my visitors, although it will probably also help the search engines I hope.
     
    john269, Mar 30, 2007 IP
  8. john269

    john269 Notable Member

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    #28
    Right then.

    There has been a site that I have known for sometime. I use it alot, and it has been on the web for a good few years. I has thousands of backlinks, but it also uses sub domains by the looks of things for nearly every different page of their site.

    It also has around 70 - 99% of duplicate content on alot of pages, even though they are still index and ranked on the first page of google for many good keywords.

    For example, I used http://www.webconfs.com/similar-page-checker.php

    to look at the dup content of:

    http://www.freeonlinegames.com/play/5.html

    compared to

    http://www.freeonlinegames.com/play/161.html

    = 99% duplicate


    I then looked at sub domains, I hope they are subs or less they are not, but making them look like subs or something:

    http://mini-pool.freeonlinegames.com

    compared to

    http://minipool-2.freeonlinegames.com

    = 93% the same and for the keyword minipool the minipool sub domain is on the 1st page of google near the top and for the keyword minipool 2 the minipool-2 sub domain is on the 1st page of google near the top.

    Now I am starting to wonder why this site is ranking very well, has been for years, and has never been penalized for duplicate content on most sub domains on their site. Is it because when it comes to using sub domains google treats it as the same domain when it comes to penalizing it for duplicate content and the same template plus because it has thousands of banklinks and has an Alexa of around 1,000 or lower so it looks more important to Google?

    Also my site only has 6 sub domains at the moment and the main domain. On most of my pages you will hardly ever see 90% dup content, most of it is around 70% or lower.

    I now have a feeling that Google is seeing most of my backlinks as not that important, that could be the reasons, because alot of my backlinks or free either web directories, forums or from the articles that I have submitted accrossed the web and when I have distributed them articles I have always had either 2 - 3 links back to this site or 2 - 3 links in the article pointing back to different sites of mine, which could also make the links in the articles not looking good as there is about 3 links in them that all point to either the same domain or 3 different sites that are all on the same IP, which makes them look more like spam links than anything, even though they are not as I have made the articles have over 600 words that have been written correctly with alot of though and knowledge.
     
    john269, Mar 31, 2007 IP
  9. PioneerGold

    PioneerGold Well-Known Member

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    #29
    sounds like you are experiencing the same things I have.

    During the normal process of link building over time, Google is penalizing a site for trying to promote itself.

    Google run amok.
     
    PioneerGold, Mar 31, 2007 IP
  10. massiva

    massiva Active Member

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    #30
    I carefully read this post for 2 days because of problem that I’ve had.

    Recently I redesign my car site. I was using a subdomain blog site but after redesign there was not any need to have a blog. So I delete the entire content via FTP and also delete the subdomain from my cPanel.
    After that the nightmare starts. I notice in my adsense account that I’m getting some impressions from subdomain. I thought it was normal and when I accidentally check the subdomain address I saw that subdomain was not only steel active but he was displaying my main site. (previously my subdomain blog was totally different with content and with look from my site).
    Then I contact my hosting company and explain the situation.

    Here is the replay:
    ”You have wildcard DNS record *.puregreencars.com for puregreencars.com domain and all requests coming to your site for non-existing domains will be processed by apache without any problems, all the requests will go to puregreencars.com site in such case. I.e if you browse to

    http://nothing.puregreencars.com/ you will see your
    http://puregreencars.com site.”

    But Google was counting the impressions from subdomain every day.

    I immediately contact google and explain my problem. Even some one has clicked on the subdomaiin adsense and I also told that to google. They replay very positive:

    ”Thanks for your emails. We will continue to count clicks and impressions
    on http://blog.puregreencars.com/ unless the Google ad code is removed
    from those pages. Please be assured that your account remains in good
    standing and we look forward to your continued participation in AdSense.”

    I think this was very strange and unique problem. I use many subdomains on my other sites and never face problem like this .

    For 3 days I had a nightmares. The real problem was with .htacces file and my hosting company resolve it.

    So I think the best thing to do If anybody have some doubts about something is to ask directly google and to be completely honest.
     
    massiva, Mar 31, 2007 IP
  11. john269

    john269 Notable Member

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    #31
    That's crazy, if google penalises you for promoting your own site then how are you surpose to get traffic. The only way you can get traffic to your site is for others to know about it around the world, if you can't promote then how can you get traffic. The most of my links pointing to the site is from people automatically linking to me on their own accord. I didn't ask them to link to me.

    Do you mean that I am linking to all of my sub domains using the same nav menu so that means on every page I have a link in my main nav menu to every other sub domain on my site. If that's the case and I removed it then I would have no nav menu. How's people going to flick from one section to the other.

    Also free online games links from one sub domain to the other.

    Also massiva I am on about a site in the good index and not adsense. Google will tell you about Adsense and the problems a little more than what they would say about a site not being indexed or if it has a penalty. You ask them anything, like why has my site been banned and they will never tell you, but will direct you to their Webmaster Guidelines instead.

    So it is you job to find out why you have been banned or penalized, and you could do a thousand things and still not find the problem.
     
    john269, Mar 31, 2007 IP
  12. sweetfunny

    sweetfunny Banned

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    #32
    Sounds like you have been hit with a tweak that was done back when that website was creating subdomains "on the fly" and had more pages in Google then any other site on the web.

    If you insist on keeping everything on subdomains, i'd suggest getting/buying some strong links to your subdomains and their inner pages. Also cross linking between your subdomains/main site (besides standard navigation elements).

    This will serve to tell Google these pages/subdomains are physically real and are not being created dynamically. Also ensure unique Meta titles/descriptions for your pages.
     
    sweetfunny, Apr 1, 2007 IP
  13. john269

    john269 Notable Member

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    #33
    I only have 6 sub domains. But I think you could be right there. I remember that site now that used millions or shall I say billions of sub domains and had billions of pages indexed and they were I adult type site I think plus they also had adsense ads on the pages. Why they had adsense I wouldn't know. I guess I will have to just build some strong backlinks for the site.
     
    john269, Apr 1, 2007 IP