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Does God exist?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by scylla, May 13, 2009.

  1. Red Pixel

    Red Pixel Member

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    #461

    The Big Bang theory is in the Quran which was given by Allah about 1400 years ago. Doesn't that proves that Allah exists?
    "Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were joined together as one united piece, Then we parted them? and we have made water Every living thing. will they not Then believe? Do not the unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder" [21:30]
    SEMrush
     
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    stOx Notable Member

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    #462
    Thats the worst description of the big bang i have ever seen. Is your god some kind of imbecile?
     
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  3. Will.Spencer

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    #463
    Ughh... Islamic "science" been debunked so many times that you must be living in a cave if you still believe it.

    Or... in a very simple format for you:

    [video=youtube;r6twbDsYwrk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6twbDsYwrk[/video]

    Seriously dude, this is 2010. Give up Islam and get on with your life.
     
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  4. Red Pixel

    Red Pixel Member

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    #464
    Well Islam is for the all the time. 2010? even if it is 2012 I won't give it up. I showed you valid proves. Now you are just being irritated because something is being said which is right but its against your intelligence or concepts.
     
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    #465
    Yeah, almighty GOD do exist, That's why i am ALIVE and enjoying the life. so you ALL do enjoy each and every moment of your life!!!!!!!!!!
    Regards
     
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  6. Will.Spencer

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    #466
    Seriously dude, if you're not a complete retard you must now realize that the "science" in the Quran is nothing but primitive superstition. This shows how fallible Muhammad was. If anything, this should open a door for you. Go through that door, it leads to a path away from Islam and towards humanity.

    "I won't give it up" is something that a child would say. Rational adults listen to logic and reason and change their minds when the data tells them to. You are throwing away your life -- the only life you will ever have. Escape Islam and learn to live as a free human being. Don't submit -- to anyone. Be an individual. Be the master of your own destiny. Muhammad is dead, let his foul stench not bother the living any longer.
     
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    #467
    What the religious don't understand is that when they say nothing will change their mind they are essentially saying their views aren't based on reality. As an atheist i am perfectly able to say my mind could be changed, after all, i'm interested in believing what is true. I don't know what it would take to convince me, but if god exists i'm sure he would know.
     
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  8. Gerinja

    Gerinja Well-Known Member

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    #468
    about the video: refuting the cosmological argument! its flawed analisis

    when we pause a movie, it is logical to think that everything stops! so even thinking cannot occur while in that state of time-still. that does not apply to God though and here is why think this:

    when we build a car to make it function, we make so it will run on fuel. we are not inside nor we run on fuel. we just make it run on it. so God made the universe run on time (which would be fuel). is God inside time? Well no, when he created the Universe, and yes He can be because He is God and proved it when he came to earth as Jesus (so He made himself be subject to time) there are writings in the bible that suggests that God disregards time if anyone cares to read.

    @ brum: well its pointless to me to be explaining every answer i give you if you are going to be answering every time with "And that passage proves what?" if you did not get it the first time and my explanation the second, and the relevancy to of the thread then its on you bro! your best defense is just insulting me by saying I suffer from autism... haha! who's being childish here?
     
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    BRUm Well-Known Member

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    #469
    It wasn't really meant as an insult. I thought you'd have to be autistic to think that a passage from the bible proves something. I fully understand what the passage means, but how does it prove there's a god? I kept saying stick to the bloody thread's subject but you keep derailing!

    How many times does someone have to say that because the bible says something happened, like Jesus existing, it really is as much proof as me writing that Father Christmas visited me and then waiting a couple thousand years for people to read it?
     
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    #470
    Back on topic.

    If god does exist, who created this god?

    And, what makes us so sure that this god is a he. Could also be a she / bi-sexual.

    Care to answer anyone?
     
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    #471
    most people would think that God is a "he"... i think that is incorrect, because God is Spirit, and spirits do not have gender,, i mean they are neither male or female... (this applies to angels and demons too)
    we are just so used to say that God is a he. maybe because of many factors...
     
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    #472
    You still haven't answered my other question.

    Who created this god?
     
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    BRUm Well-Known Member

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    #473
    I love how Gerinja makes that statement with such authority. How do you know this god doesn't have a gender? Unless he told you, you can't make such claims.
     
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    #474

    The composition of the Garden is the physical presence of the Creator.
     
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    #475
    Which came first, the chicken or the egg? :p
     
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    #476
    The Allah god created them together.

    Wait -- no, the egg created itself since it had "holy powers" in it.

    But, D'oh as most religious people say something cannot create itself, just like how they attempt to disprove the big bang theory.

    Then again, we can't ask them who created this god of theirs, because that's something too complicated that we can't understand.
     
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    #477
    The human mind created God, so humans came first then God as without humans trying to observe there being a God, God wouldn't exist in the first place or religion. I've still yet to find another creature that believes in a higher power other than humans but I'll keep an eye out for the local wildlife.
     
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    #478
    @ stephenhacking

    i did address the "who created god" question before if you care to go back a little on the thread....

    @BRUm

    1. you kinda imply that people believe the bible because it is an old book, and while it does help a little its not entirely so, there are so many other stuff that backs up the bible to be true.

    2. it would be logic to think that male and female exist on some of the physical things. not on things we cannot see (or even things we do see) like... you think air is male or female?

    God(Jesus) could have come as a woman to the world if he would have wished it, but i think he did not consider that because man had always had priority in everything at that time, maybe nobody would have even bother to listen if he would have chosen to be a woman.

    btw. this is my logic, i could be wrong! so there is no authority here. i am not forcing anyone to believe what i say...i think it just makes your skin crawl that i could be right.
     
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    #479
    Then take nostradamus. Plenty of people see how his written predictions are proof that he could predict the future, does that make him a prophet or his book divine?

    But we're created in his image, right? the bible itself refers to god as "him" and "he", so make your mind up: you take what the bible claims for truth, or you don't. Don't nit-pick.

    Likewise, no sane minded person would believe a medium or psychic to be genuine, despite appearing so. Tell me why this book, therefore, isn't fiction? Sure, there may be some nice fables and pieces of wisdom, but they don't excuse the claims the book and those who so vehemently believe in it, make.

    What I'm getting at, is that you really shouldn't make such bold claims about something when all you have is passages and other such vastly interpretable data, as "evidence". I'm sure you understand what evidence is, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

    See this is what I'm talking about. You try and explain something with your own personal ideas. This can never be accepted as an objective explanation.

    Don't flatter yourself mate! As much as you may wish, what you believe or write has no impact on my emotional well being. I just enjoy debates and pointing out flaws.
     
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    #480
    Atheism. A belief system without proof that demands proof of every other belief system.

    Ingenious fallacy.
     
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