Does anyone really believe that evolution explains away God?

OK, so some new breeds of dogs are here now where they were not before. So, what does this teach us....hmmm....??? ummm....I think they are still dogs. When I see proof of a cat evolving into a dog or a parrot into frog or something like that. Then I will listen a bit more.

The technical stuff you posted I have seen before although a little different. Yes, it is very interesting about the genes and how many creatures share the same gene. But, the fact remains. An ape is still an ape. A human is still a human. There is no proof that says an ape evolved into a human, no matter how many genes both species share.

If this deep scientific exploration into genes is so involved by millions around the world and this is all that has come from it in regards to ape = humans = evolution. What about before the ape? That's right, the missing link. There's a LOT of guesswork in this belief. I acknowledge that many people say the same when it comes to creation and the Bible.

We can only ever go by what we know and what is written. The rest of it is built on faith. You have your faith in evolution. I respect that. I can only hope you respect my faith in creation. If not, well so be it. It's OK. I don't harbor any resentment.

Col

 

I totally give up on you. You're not understanding the concepts and ignoring what I am saying.

 

Here's the video concept of your whole idea.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBRxzHU2C5U

Sometimes movies help better than words.

 

Really there's no reason to respect the myth of creation. You see, evolution is based on evidence such as fossils we've found etc. We know without a doubt the earth is > 6,500 years old through carbon dating. You can dispute dating method(s) all you want. However, the fact is, creationism/ID is based on absolutely nothing. There's absolutely nothing to suggest the bible was the word of god - other then the bible. If I were to write a book and say it was the word of god, what proof do I have of that? Just the book saying it. Same with the bible.

So I ask you - why do YOU think the bible is the word of god? Why isn't the koran or <insert your favorite holy book here>. The fact is you're a christian because of where you were raised. If you were born in Iran, you'd be saying "Muhammad " after each one of your posts. You'd also be swearing that the koran was the one true book to follow, and that allah is a supreme being.

In all honestly, I think it's time you delete your answer genesis book mark. They have a clear agenda. How about actually reading scientific studies by reputable scientists who have no bias or agenda? Don't be afraid to educate yourself.

 

They can never accept that a scientist could be unbiased. Even though there are quite a few well respected christian scientists who's studies have brought great advances in our society while forcing christians to take another look at what they believe in.

By the way arguing the earth's age is futile as well. Forget carbon dating, we can prove it takes a lot longer for natural resources like oil and diaminds to form naturally than 6,500 years but when it comes down to it, some christians still believe the earth is less than 7,000 years old and yet others will concede that's ridiculous but will try to say a day isn't a day in the bible in genesis but in other places in the bible a day is a day...

It's all about as crazy as believing that when noah built the ark and the (impossible) floods came that everyone else with a boat just said ahh f*ck it, I just won't use mine...

 

Again for the umpteenth time. I never said the earth was only 6500 years old. Does anyone have a memory around here?? I have only ever referred to humans living on the earth for approximately that amount of time.

How I was raised has nothing to do with what I know now. I was raised as a catholic. I denounced myself as a Catholic at age 10 and became an atheist. Never even read any part of the Bible. Stayed that way for 29 years.

I'll tell you why I have faith. In it, Jesus is quoted saying "I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love among yourselves" in John 13:34-35.

This love amongst ourselves does not mean just one congregation in one land. It's every congregation we have. In fact, we have now approximately 100,000 congregations around the world in over 250 lands. The faith is the same. The love we have for each is the same, no matter which congregation we find ourselves in. In some congregations we have former war opponents together, all unified to worship God. How can this possibly be in this day and age? 7,000,000 from all walks of life, backgrounds, races and beliefs. I know why. Love for your enemy, love for your neighbour. It's the only way it can work. And, it is going to keep on working no matter what you or anyone says against it.

Believe what you want to believe. I am just telling you how it is. There's no way I can explain to you the love our organization has amongst ourselves and how we show it to everyone we speak to. It's something on has to experience for themselves.

If I was born in another country and raised as a Muslim then most likely I would be praising Allah just like millions do today. However, I can only go by what I know. And what I do know is our organization is built on love, trust, belief in God's word, his son Jesus and God himself.

I don't even know why I bother telling you any of this because most likely (like many do) you will brush it aside and live your life the way you see fit.

Well, that's your decision and I respect that.

Col

 

Science is not a living entity and therefore has no agenda, however many people with this agenda have attempted to utilize science to discredit/disprove religion or the existance of God.

 

The bible is a BOOK. Books can say WHATEVER they want. I just don't understand why you think this book is the word of god - and you still have not answered me! Jesus had no super powers, he was a man. The bible was written for an agenda. Seriously PLEASE, PLEASE tell me why you think the bible is the word of god.

 

I agree and disagree with parts of both of your arguments. I believe that God and evolution are both very real. I believe that Christians and Muslims both worship the same God. Unfortunately they are also worshipping the men/prophets that represented him. I beleve in the Bible as the word of man inspired by God. That does not mean that it is the word of God. Only the word of man as it pertains to God ( at least that which was approved by organized religion) . I believe that the message it sends of Peace and love toward our fellow man and all living things to be essential.

 

Ummm...I thought I just did. If you think it is written for an agenda then tell me what you think that agenda is?

You are right when you say "Jesus had no super powers". He didn't. He used God's holy spirit to perform the miracles he did. The Bible says so.

Member "livingearth" is correct in regards to the Bible being written by man, but inspired by God.

If there is such an agenda, then why have 66 books written over 1600 years by many different authors from all walks of life. Some were farmers, fishermen, and shepherds. Others were prophets, judges, and kings. The Gospel writer Luke was a doctor.

Most of these authors never knew of each other let alone have an agenda. If they did, then that agenda would have come from someone and have been secretly taught to the writers over 1600 years. Why would anyone want to go to that length? For what purpose?

Col

 

If I write a book that has a nifty quote, will you think I am god?

 

LOL.......nope

Col

 

Why what's the difference?

 

Because you don't care for me or for the rest of the world for that matter....oh....and you can't solve death.

Col

 

In my book I would. Ready to worship? Honestly do you see what I'm getting at. They wrote it so you believe it?

 

It's as simple as that to you isn't it? You have no idea at all. You want everything in front of your eyes as proof. If it's not seen, then it's worth mocking.

Just like a child would think.

Quite obviously you paid not one bit of attention to what I posted earlier about why I have my beliefs. Like, you just dismissed the whole post.

This is a very small merry-go-round you are riding my friend. You know there are much bigger and better rides in this park

Col

 

It sucks being logical and intelligent

 

You said it. Being logical and intelligent does not make you smart

Col

 

Evolution does not explain away God, just like knowing about conception, gestation and labour does not explain away God.

 

Rub3x again ur taking the book of genisis literally and it was never meant to be understood this way. Evolution if anything proves the existence of god.
Every life in this universe, every galaxy is here because of specific laws. Do u truely believe that these laws came into being by chance? Remember that law energy cannot be created or destroyed? Where did this law come from and where did energy come from in the first place . Think about it man. To evolve also means u need to have a set of laws there for teh evolution to take place. Im sure one day scientists will find genes made specifically to evolve. Who put these gense there? RANDOM CHANCE????????????????

like i said, i definately know i will see Jackul in church or worshipping god in some way shape or form. My gut instincts are usually right lol