Do you think McCain would win a Republican presidential nomination?

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Do you think McCain would win a Republican presidential nomination?

  1. Yes

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    22.2%
  2. No

    7 vote(s)
    77.8%
  1. #1
    The media portray McCain as the next Republican nomination for President. But seriously, whom here really believes that he'll get that?

    I usually slip through another forum everyones and a while, and it's primarily for Conservatives. Free Republic is the name. There's a poll on it, about McCain.
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    According to a posted article entitled "McCain Starts Planning for 2008 Run" Senator John McCain is considered the front-runner for the 2008 Republican presidential nomination. Would you be for or against McCain?

    against..90.2%.......6,538
    for.....9.8%..........709

    http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/poll?poll=165;results=2
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    What are McCain's chances if he fairs so weakly among common conservatives (whom likely vote)?
     
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  2. Dead Corn

    Dead Corn Peon

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    I think the perception of McCain is one of unpredictability with a dash of irrationality. I don't think he'll be nominated for anything. Then again I remember the first time I saw Clinton in the primaries and asked myself "who's this joker?"
     
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  3. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    ^^ What Dead Corn said. Don't think it will happen. My impression of him is that like kerry, he sticks his finger in the wind to see which way the wind is blowing today. He'd be better off running as a democrat.
     
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  4. LinkSales

    LinkSales Active Member

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    Nah, I think Hillary should have that. Then after her two terms it should be time that the US would be accepting of Pelosi.

    The best 16 years of US history are right around the corner. :D
     
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  5. Rick_Michael

    Rick_Michael Peon

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    Are you kidding!?

    Hillary's chance of winning only depends on the Republican nomination, imo. Not that America hasn't changed a bit, but a Reagan-like Republican would finding winning a lot easier.

    I think Pelosi's chances afterwards...is extremely small.
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  6. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    Best for our country or best for our enemies?
     
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  7. Rick_Michael

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    I agree with what Senator Brownback:

    The Kansas senator said he was not discouraged from running by the Democrats' strong gains in this month's midterm elections, including majority control of the House and Senate.

    "It does not make it less likely," he said in an interview. "I really believe that the basic conservative ideas and ideals were not repudiated. Our execution was."
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    I believe we are a mildly right-leaning country, and fundamentally people want what Reagan spoke of. Those whom are in the middle and lean-right, are just having a hard time with what they have as leaders. I believe they're demanding a desire for those inititial principles.

    McCain, Pelosi, Hillary, et al, are not going to supplement those needs or desires.
     
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  8. blue_angel

    blue_angel Well-Known Member

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    I am so sure how can do that
     
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  9. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #9
    NO.. I'm in a toss between, Guliani, Newt and Thompson... Thompson did wonders for Wisconsin, I woudl be hard pressed to vote against him if he does run. He all but eliminated welfare in Wisconsin.
     
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  10. Rick_Michael

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    #10
    I think Guliani's too liberal on social issues.

    Newt seems like a rather smart guy, but there's a lot dirt on him. Although I'm really beginning to think Newt is probably going to be the best pick out of the repubs....not sure he would win the general election, though.

    Thompson? I'm not familiar with him. Could you post a link to his background or give me a bit of info?

    Here's a poll on Free Republic concerning who they like:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/poll?poll=154;results=1

    Tom Tancredo..26.5%.......1,671
    George Allen....18.9%.......1,193
    Newt Gingrich...17.7%......1,119
    Rudy Giuliani....13.5%.......855
    Jeb Bush.........9.3%.........586
    Sit it out.......4.0%..........252
    Mitt Romney.....3.7%.......231
    Mike Pence......2.9%.......181
    John McCain....2.8%.......174
    Bill Frist 0.9% 54
    100.2% 6,316


    Tom doesn't really have a chance. George Allen is doubtful, since he didn't even win his re-election. Newt's a possibility.

    In other poll's they ask if Newt vs Hillary and Giuliani vs Hillary, and it shows you the best option...atleast to the polls...is Newt..

    http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/poll?poll=152
    http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/poll?poll=151;results=1

    I think he has probably has the most experience, level conservatism and name recognization that I can think of. While I need to do my own research on him, I think he'll be probably be one of the best picks the Repubs can make....if they can get past his personal life.
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    More recent poll

    AP: Giuliani Takes Steps to Prep for Presidential Bid in 2008! Would you be for or against Rudy Giuliani for president?


    against.........58.5%.........1,699
    for...........41.5%..........1,207
    100.0% 2,906
     
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  11. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    Rick, Thompson was Governor of Wisconsin from 87 to 2001 when he left office here to become Health and Human Services Secretary under President Bush. Ever since he left we have seen a rise (an incredible rise) in property taxes, gas taxes, and taxes in general under Doyle. For more info on Thompson check out wiki.

    I worked on Thompson's campain back in my college days and have had lunches, dinners with him. He is an all around nice guy. A great speaker, and a real average joe as far as politicians go. He's very likeable and if you want to see someone tackle health care once and for all, Thompson is your man. He did wonders here in Wisconsin. Thompson was resonsible for the "Work not Welfare" program in Wisconsin that spurred Washington to work on welfare reform. It's sad to think that we have Doyle undoing all the good Thompson did, and after the last election we are stuck with that do nothing tax everyone bastard for another 4 years.
     
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  12. Rick_Michael

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    #12
    I like his first name.

    Strategically speaking, Tommy would be a wise chose. I'm assuming Wisconsin loved him a great deal if he lasted that long in office....so I'm sure getting Wisconsins electorals would be a plus.

    Governors tend to be easier to elect, because there's a level of mystery in their future behaviour. You know what house representive or senators will do in most cases...but a governor are really restricted on action. I'm not sure I like that to some degree.

    Do you think he has a chance in the primaries (if he choses to enter)?
     
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  13. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    It would no doubt be the first time in a long time you saw Wisconsin go from Blue to Red.

    The reason I see it that Governors are easily elected is experience. Running a state is not too far off from running the country. Senators and Congressmen alike spend their lives working with each other (or not) running the country. A Governor is kinda like the President of a state. In the end, they are running the show.


    His biggest problem as I see it is obscurity. Guliani and Newt are well known outside of their respective worlds. Thompson is not. But then again, who the hell knew who Clinton was before he was elected?
     
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  14. Rick_Michael

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    I think Clinton won primarily on two things:

    1)Charisma...nobody can doubt that.
    2)Ross Perot. 19 million votes....literally robbed him of 'safe' states. More 2, than 1.
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    Look at Reagan. That man raped his competitors. Won California and almost every other state. Unfortunately for the Republicans, Reagan was a one of a kind.
     
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  15. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    The thing with Clinton though, initially anyway, was the American people fired GWB, they did not hire Bill. No New Taxes kinda did GWB in.
     
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    I don't think McCain will do well as he ingratiates the conservative base. If you are a darling of the media and a Republican, then your chances of winning are small.

    As for Guiliani, he has some of the "right stuff" but he is very liberal, not someone conservatives would warmly embrace.
     
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    McCain screwed himself with his Group of 14. Romney is an interesting candidate but im not sure if the country will elect a Mormon as president. That being said, whomever selects Brownback as a VP has a great chance of capturing the general election. Eveyone is talking about the NY canidates but no one is mentioning ex Gov Pataki a Pataki/Brownback ticket would be tough to beat.
     
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  18. Rick_Michael

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    I think it will ultimately go (out of practicality) to any 'blue' state republican governor. There's quite a few that could easily take a 'blue' state and really make it hard for Democrats...especially if the democrats pick someone that rallies the base.

    This has to be a careful decesion for either side.
     
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  19. MattKNC

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    That is a good point. The LDS church has done a splendid marketing job over the years to distance itself from its sordid beginnings. Still, you have Joseph Smith, Bringham Young, the Book of Mormon, and Moroni to deal with. It'll be interesting how Mitt Romney handles the Mormon controversy.
     
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