What makes me wonder is why they won't back their stuff up. I mean I'm open-minded, if he'd post a example of the verses in context from the Quran (a direct quote), then maybe I'd buy it. Otherwise I think its double speak, words from his own mouth, not proving a thing. I took the time to look the verses up, why not take the time to back up what you're saying so I don't think your a moron spouting out propaganda? I don't think they're out of context though, because NO musilum has been able to disprove anything about those verses not being violent torwards others outside the islamic faith. This poll is sad, I think the world needs more waking up to do.
Relying on quotes from any 'Holy' book to back an argument is pointless. The original bible is full of 'violence', it was just the way things were expressed.
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Well good for you. That doesn't mean the Quran isn't sending you the message. Your religion is violent, the very core of it, the Quran is violent, and if you are following ALL of the Quran, that would.. well.. make you violent. But your not are you?..
These are all quotes from the bible, I have included the urls where I found them. I think the last one I quoted really puts the 'infidel' quran quote (which everyone loves to shout) back in perspective; we are saying the same thing.
i heard from muslim guy that in the quran ppl grew on violent am not sure about this but it came from muslim guy Cheers!
casper, you do realize that those scriptures arn't violent torwards others. Actually, if you know how to read, you'll notice the portion "purged from Israel." Doesn't apply to everyone does it? Its a law to the goverment of Israel during biblical times.. All those quotes from the bible do apply to Israel during the biblical times. Now thats taking verses out of context.. erm, not even, I still was able to prove they were outta context without having to bring up their full section You don't see that in the Quran though, thats the difference. Are people like you purposely ignorant? Or can you not read? Or maybe you've never read the bible and just overlooked the fact that all those verses are laws to the old Israel. haha, lacky casper.
So no one *still* has anything from the New Testament? Only the Old Testament, which were the laws of God at the time in order to get to Heaven. I guess the point everyone is making here, though probably unintentional, is that the New Testament does not call for these old laws. Even further, those posting Old Testament scriptures are simply highlighting the fact they are not used in our societies today. To illustrate this, one need only *try* to put them in context. It simply doesn't work. Nice job, guys! Somehow I get the feeling you were not aware of what you were really doing Unintentional consequences can be quite beautiful at times.
You shouldn't feel offended skint, I'm not offending you personally. I'm saying that both religions are determined a couple of hundred years ago and are ancient. Muslims (and Christians) who act exactly according to their book still live in the age that the book was written. Such persons are called extremists, and you have extremists in every religion. You are right when you say that this does not apply anymore. But that is just the same with the Quran. Modern muslims will not kill 'infidels' as everyone likes to call it. And modern Christians will not kill their neighbour for cheating with their wife. But there are extremists in every religion. grz caps *You should really learn to argue in a propper manner. Pathetic.
The OT laws were given to those in charge. They were written down so everyone would know what the laws are and what to expect as punishment. Laws are written down for the same reason today. I know there's a fine for running red lights. That doesn't mean that it's my duty to fine people who run red lights. The law is not public knowledge so that people can take it into their own hands. The Bible understands the concept of authority. The Koran does not and neither do a good portion of posters it seems. This is why when the Koran says "do this" it does in fact mean anyone who believes the Koran. With the Bible the law is a warning as it is in civilized societies. Not a guide book for personal vengence as it is in the Middle East.
"And modern Christians will not kill their neighbour for cheating with their wife." What you're not getting is that Jews were never allowed to kill their neighbor for cheating on their wife. That was the job of the courts. As it is in our civilized societies today. It is in fact the case in the Koran that the law is to be taken into your own hands. It has never been that way with the Bible.
Casper, I didnt mean to sound rude, forgive me. And I'm not angry, I just think that it seems kinda ignorant to try to take those verses out of context and compare them to the ones in the Qur'an. I also wasn't saying you were ignorant, or didn't know how to read. It was a general message. However, you've got every right to believe what you want, that goes for me too.
alterego... praise the Lord for that. And peace unto you. Were the others of like mind this conversation would not be taking place. IN Christ
You have got to be kidding me? Were you there? The crusades were an answer to the centuries of Muslim persecussion and onslaught that had been going on for hundreds of years. Islam was founded by a heroin addict who was married to multiple wives, including a 6 year old girl. Which would make their leader a...... pedophile. What a joke. Do your history first before you post something so outrageous. Lol I can't believe I wasted time reading this people. Seriously, this world is headed for disaster. Just my .02
the religion of Islam is not violent, it is individuals within the religion that use it to make their actions acceptable
Don't forget Fairy.... why they did it? Cause it was written at their books. And everythings was based on the teachings. But I'm sure Islam isn't violent cause I have many friends with those religion and they seems nice to me...
I'm not here to hate people. Just ask yourself this question. 1) How many christians and prodestants do you see blowing each other up each day? Just some food for thought............. an no, a ballot box installed in Baghdad insn't going to solve the problem, nor is a purple finger. lol