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Do you Think Iran & Israel would ever declare war against each other ?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by unbeatable, Sep 13, 2012.

  1. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #21
    You mean why create something that someone outside of your own group can see? Why not? That is exactly what freedom of speech is. Ability to say what you want. Loudly. In public. For all to hear. No fear of reprisal from public or private party.


    It is true that Muslims have capitalized on political correctness and fear in an effort to silence people. Many have been affected, but what you are seeing is more films such as this, not less.

    In that spirit, lets get a few facts out for the record.

    1) Mohammad was a pedophile.
    2) Mohammad was a murderer
    3) Muslims are actively murdering people, primarily other Muslims, in the name of Islam
    4) The Quran is a conflicting book of lies and manipulation designed as a political document
    5) There is no Allah. There never has been. There is not even a single piece of proof that Allah is real.
    6) If there were an Allah, he would despise Mohammad and the behavior of many Muslims.
     
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  2. ryan_uk

    ryan_uk Illustrious Member

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    #22
    I think Obamanation put it well: it most definitely is freedom of speech. You really don't seem to understand free speech at all. Just because you don't like something, or it is against your beliefs, does not mean it isn't free speech.

    I don't want to point out a particular group of people, or a religion. However, unless you have been living under a rock, you will know about some clerics/imams/mullahs/whatever who have been preaching hate in the UK, either at Mosques or on the streets. And have been allowed to do this, because it is their freedom to dislike the country they live in (and in many cases receive benefits from) and express that. I might not like it, but that is the price of free speech - to sometimes hear and see things we don't like or agree with. I would rather pay that price than live in a society that reacts so violently to a film or wants a children's cartoon character dead, just because they don't like (or understand) it.

    I hope you can broaden your mind and fully understand what is free speech and, most importantly of all, embrace it!
     
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  3. thesickearth

    thesickearth Active Member

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    #23
    Do you have any proof, even an anecdotical one that Mohammad murdered anybody? Seriously?
     
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  4. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    Seriously? Yes. One could debate whether the man was a mass murderer and terrorist, which I believe to be true, but he was unquestionably a caravan robber and a murderer.

    There are many such examples.
     
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  5. CharlesAnthony

    CharlesAnthony Active Member

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    #25

    Whatever, I don't agree on war. And you are wrong. War is not the solution. Talks are the solution everytime.

    Did war made any solution in Afgavistan, Irag & Sri Lanka? No. Only people got killed. But no solution found.
     
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  6. ApocalypseXL

    ApocalypseXL Notable Member

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    #26
    You disagree with war because you fail to see how the danger is next to you . Yes war was the only way to stop future terrorist attacks from being organized by Al-Queda and Bin Laden . In case you didn't noticed no more major terrorist attacks took place in the UK , UK or Spain.

    You can disagree with war all you want , war is just an extension of natural selection . The history of man kind was shaped by war , war helped us adapt and evolve . Show me one superpower that doesn't have a history drenched in blood ?
     
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    ApocalypseXL Notable Member

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  8. robyries

    robyries Notable Member

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    #28

    * so what about jewish,.. they not killing people and get other rights that's not belong to her...??? that would be OK..!
    * how you can say it's conflicting, have you read it, what about bible that talk porn on it, you can check on Amsal 5:19, AMSAL 7: 16, Yehezkiel 23:1-3 (should I paste more...), this is not holly bible, this just another hustler magaz that prior to adult no for all age ?
    * can you answer this ? what is form of pain or taste of spicy.. is red, is it circle or it have red color.
     
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    robyries Notable Member

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    #29
    true... there is no problem on cartoon mickey mouse, this is happen in some area, not all around the world, but when they make a specific topic about islam religion, in this case their prophet (what never happen before) this make all muslim around the world get enthusiasm..
     
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  10. ryan_uk

    ryan_uk Illustrious Member

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    #30
    It was a bit beyond "get enthusiasm". In most Western countries criticism, parody and opposing views of religion (Catholic church, CoE, etc), politics, celebrities, etc, is common place. And you can't tell me anti-Western, anti-Christian, anti-Jew films don't exist.

    Did Valley of the Wolves receive such a violent reception? No. Some people were a bit offended by it, but the reaction was not violent.

    Get used to living in a free world, oby.one.
     
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  11. ryan_uk

    ryan_uk Illustrious Member

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    #31
    The fact is, all these religious books (Quran, Bible, etc) were written by man. Man always has a motivation and religion is a "good" control mechanism. (By "good", I mean it's effective.) Sexuality was viewed very different in those days, but that was gradually changed through religious books (to make people more conservative). How many wives did Muhammad have? Think about it some more.

    (Off topic slightly - Is Holly Bible an adult actress? :))

    However, rather than try to address the issues brought up (because you can't?) you [keep] want[ing] to deflect away from them.
     
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  12. unbeatable

    unbeatable Peon

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    #32
    I think , the conversation went somewhere else than it supposed to.However its still close .

    Well said ryan ,

    Things changed through the time
    and society have had different needs in different ages you may not compare them because they've been made for different people.
    its like comparing today's music to 80's .
     
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  13. ryan_uk

    ryan_uk Illustrious Member

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    #33
    I was thinking that earlier, unbeatable, and I helped take it off course. ;-) Sorry about that!

    Well, in response to your original question - it's all about posturing these days. Does anyone really want to be the one responsible for creating the nuclear war? I am sure the US has in mind what they did before. There will always be "friction" between Israel and Iran, sadly, and also Israel and other countries.

    I can't see it happening, just the posturing continuing (like other countries do), comparing penis size or whatever you want to call it, but that's just my humble view on the situation.
     
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  14. ApocalypseXL

    ApocalypseXL Notable Member

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    #34
    Really ? I tough that when someone wants to erase your country off the map you're suppose to befriend them and send them gifts. It's not bloody friction Iran is threatening Israel with total annihilation and the only things stopping them from taking action is the fact that they are so dam weak. Iran is doing what North Korea does to South Korea , the only difference is that North Korea is China's pet and that the two countries are officially at war.

    If NATO would dissapear tomorrow Iran would not only declare war but attack in full force.
     
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  15. ryan_uk

    ryan_uk Illustrious Member

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    #35
    Did you not notice the quote marks, mate? You're very easily set off.
     
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    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #36
    No, they aren't, unless you were thinking it was the Jews that are killing each other in Iraq. 30 car bombs yesterday alone and not a Jew in sight.

    What do I care what the "Holly Bible" says? Whatever might be contained in the bible does not change the facts I stated about the Qur'an.

    I can't because your English is too broken to understand the question. Is it relevant?
     
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    popotalk Notable Member

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    #37
    I don't know what taste of spicy or red in color or circle, as afar as I know the only pain we know about jihadists are they are a pain in the a$$.
     
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  18. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #38
    Riddles are for children, and your riddle still does not translate to English. Why don't you answer your own riddle and maybe it will all become clear.
     
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    babak44 Active Member

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    #39
    not in tomorrow I think. if we dismissed nuke bombs that Israel has but Iran hasn't yet then you should compare other items. Iran hasn't much fighter jets in service, nearly 90 percent of ours just could move in the ground because lack of spare parts and beside ours is outdated. just we have some long range rocket which can harm Israel but not much I guess if they had good anti rocket missiles and defense systems that guess they have. our trump card is Hezbollah that could harm Israel with their shout missiles but not sure how much they can be effective and beside are they play for us when see we are loser?

    in the other hand Iran and Israel hasn't any hostility toward each other in their history. Palestinian are Arab Sunni that we aren't.

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  20. ApocalypseXL

    ApocalypseXL Notable Member

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    Brilliant line there Babak . My hunch is that Iran is doing this for extra reputation in the muslim world . The KSA has Mecca , Pakistan has nukes , Indonesia has a economic powerhouse and Turkey is untouchable due to the NATO shield. So Iran wants to get a piece of the jihad leadership pie , how can it get it ? By saber rattling and putting on a show, if they get nukes in the process the better it is for them.

    Am I on to something here ?
     
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