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Do You Still Have Hope In The Content Section Here At DP?

Discussion in 'Copywriting' started by coreygeer, Mar 1, 2014.

  1. coreygeer

    coreygeer Notable Member

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    #101
    *sigh* Why is it so hard to believe that there are people out there that pay $100 or even more for a single piece of content?

    Not everyone goes by what the majority of DP uses as a standard. "I need quality contents my budget max is $3.50 per article ARTICLES MUST BE OF QUALITY OR NO PAY". (I'm trying to carefully include the word majority because there are people on DP who value quality content). Marketing forums and job boards really skew your view as to what you could earn as a freelancer in most fields.

    Let the penny chasers fiddle with their cheap content. Most of them end up shutting down their site after a couple of months or giving up because their content while cheap, offers no value to visitors and no reason for them to stick around after visiting once. Plus, a lot of those people buy those stupid Fiverr gigs for backlinks that ends up getting them slapped by the big G.
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    The sad reality is, you will NEVER convince a penny chaser to stop doing what they do. My old landlord was one of them. She's been in business for thirty years scraping by because her husband keeps giving her enough money to stay afloat. I wouldn't want her home 24/7 either so I don't blame him. What I learned from her is, no matter how many consultations, business evaluations or people recommended she changed how she did business, she never did. She was too proud and thought she knew better than everyone else.

    She even tried hiring a $8/hour Web Developer. The guy loaded up Microsoft Frontpage and the entire website was done in tables. I laughed, told her she got what she paid for and she disagreed.

    You can't change how those people think or make them value quality work.

    Hell, this crosses over to web development too. People tell me my prices are way too high for things such as PSD to Wordpress. They'll often say things like "I saw a guy online who said he'd do it for $50 to $100".

    I just wish them the best of luck and tell them to call me when the site isn't responsive, doesn't work properly on multiple browsers, isn't mobile device friendly and is poorly coded. Most of them either stop paying for hosting or just let the site sit there all jacked up.
     
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    #102
    Because people hire mechanics for $56 an hour. Go on trips to Cuba for $1,200. $100 for 20minutes of work or whatever is unbalanced. I'm not speaking for myself. I'm speaking for EVERYONE who pays less when buying articles and everyone to charges more and complains in topics like this.
     
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    #103
    All of this is so, so true. Unfortunately, DinoTroll doesn't get it. Same as he doesn't get why he's been failing in IM for the last 12 years. I wouldn't bother trying to rationalize with him, he's already shown that he's incapable of logic and too stubborn to want to learn. Shame.
     
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    #104
    Uh oh. You are hurting my E-feelings with this competition where you try to say how great you are and how little others are.
     
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    YMC Well-Known Member

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    #105
    What I think the writers keep missing in DinoJRG's rants is that he thinks a well-written and well-researched 500 word article can be consistently written in only 20 minutes. (Thank you to all the idiot writers who keep playing "I can write faster than you" in other threads - this is the result of your folly.)

    Heck, the cheats probably can do it in 5. Google, launch a site, copy, paste, email the "finished" product.
     
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  6. Jennifer Hutson

    Jennifer Hutson Member

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    Exactly. I spend an hour writing a 500-word article because I continue editing it until I am proud to put my name on it. That takes time and unlike someone who will write an article for $1-3, I actually care about the quality and final result.

    Sure, there are other writers who take less than $25 an article and still care about quality, but the caliber of writing is still lower OR they are undercharging and don't know their real worth and think clients aren't willing to pay that price because they haven't tried. It's one or the other, which is precisely my point. No one holds a gun to a client's head and forces them to pay a certain price – they pay what they are willing to.
     
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  7. Jameyson MacDonald

    Jameyson MacDonald Well-Known Member

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    #107
    The bottom line is that people are writing content for top dollar and others are paying top dollar for content. You have no control over it, so the best thing you can do (for your own sanity and psychological well being) is to just accept it. It is what it is and all your griping won't change anything...
     
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  8. DinoJRG

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    #108
    Sure, they are paying for that top quality content. That would explain all of the writers who demand top quality whining about poor quality services available online.

    I have nothing to accept douche. The only time you are getting $200 for 500 word articles is in meditation.
     
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    #109
    In the pre-Fiverr days, low-cost writing services and rates offered on such places as DP did make sense, especially for beginners who needed a low-end entry into freelancing, where they didn't have to pay for advertising. It makes less sense now, considering that now there are well established gig sites where the population of newbie IMers offering low-cost writing can be matched with the low-cost buyers searching for them.

    The newer format of the DP has also made it less friendly for writers. The effect of making new members "earn" their way towards posting in the marketplace has been to shoo away a mole hill of "scammers," but also shooing away more like a mountain of better-paying buyers, making the current content section a ghost town compared to a year ago. Those better paying buyers now go to the freelance sites or other places with fewer hoops to go through to request writer services.

    The remaining factor behind the downward pressure on freelance pricing for article writing is that people who do it as a primary moneymaker are competing for work with others who are doing it as a side income center, secondary to their main IM efforts. The latter are not trying to get the pay rate that reflects their maximum worth, but just generating working capital to get by or cover temporary expenses while building their main empire from sites, lists, or reselling. This brings down expectations as to what the average writer can be charged, as there are so many who choose to value their writing as "part of their business plan" instead of as a main career.
     
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  10. Jameyson MacDonald

    Jameyson MacDonald Well-Known Member

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    #110
    LMAO what a loser. I haven't been called a "douche" in quite some time...

    And for the record, I write about meditation because I enjoy it. I don't make anything off the writing on my site, only what I make from Adsense. The real money comes from the writing I do for other people and given your superb people skills, I'd say I will always be making much more than you in this area. :rolleyes:

    Douche huh? You only say that because you're safely tucked away behind the anonymity of your computer...
     
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  11. Content Maestro

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    #111
    There can be various reasons for this.
    1. You are (obviously) NOT a writer. So you DON'T have a fucking clue about the writing industry.:) As such, you are NOT qualified and have NO right to comment on how much a writer should charge and whether or not demanding a certain price for your work is fair.
      Makes me laugh though ….. Someone shouting endlessly at the top of their voice that $100 for 500 words means robbing makes NO difference in reality to any writer and is not going to stop him/her from charging the same.:D
    2. You have NEVER come across or hired high-end writers who won't even piss on offers that ask you to write a 500 worder for $5 or $10.
    3. You are one of those typical tightwad asses that want huge profits outta nothing and are reluctant to invest even a dime more even if you have it.
      Wake up and smell the coffee guys, this is 2014! With Google rolling out Panda, Penguin and Hummingbird updates, crappy low-grade content is being kicked out. If you want quality, you gotta spend and content is NO exception. Sad this still has to be said.:(
    4. You are most probably a (big) scammer who is ALWAYS looking for cheap stuff and DOESN'T want to pay a cent more than the lowest of the lowest rate that runs in the market or, more precisely, DOESN'T want to pay AT ALL.
    5. You have GRAVE self-limiting beliefs that have not let you become successful in life and more often than not they make you die with envy when you see someone earning more than you could EVER imagine. That's probably why you reject outrightly what someone says when they tell you they are making $100 or more for a 500 words copy.
    Indeed, there are many other reasons, but these are just a few off the top of my head right now.

    Anyway, I am very grateful to anyone who (baselessly) spouts that so and so price for a piece of content is unreal or unfair and presents a hundred (irrelevant) proofs to back his/her claims up because it brings in limelight and exposes the entire argument to a thousand reasons as to why the contrary is actually true.:)
     
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    #112
    Am I confused, or was the person you're quoting making the exact opposite point that you are ridiculing him or her for? I think he or she is saying that he or she (ok, I'm checking if you're M/F now, because this he/she thing is getting old).

    Male.

    Okay, what I think he is saying is that he is tired of people that find it hard to believe that some people pay $100 for an article, which can be a perfectly reasonable price depending on the quality of the content. I don't think you read his post all the way through before completely ripping him a new one, and never once did he say he's a scammer always looking for cheap stuff. Maybe I'm the one that totally misunderstood everything, but I don't think so ...
     
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    #113
    OK wait. I think you most probably misunderstood. I am NOT ridiculing ANYONE here. I have just quoted the question exactly as it is. That, however, DOESN'T mean I am debunking the poster.
    I've pointed out possible answers that came to me, NO MATTER WHO ASKED THE QUESTION.
    The use of second person pronoun “you” throughout my post might have made you think that I am targeting someone specifically. It's NOT so. That refers to any person who fits the description and “he/she” is because the person in question can be a male or a female. I was, however, not aware that the use of “he/she” is getting old but thanks for the alert.:)

    BTW, I've read the post completely and have NOT spoken ANYTHING against it. I completely agree with the poster's views. Wait, I will give the post a 'like' so that you're convinced. (Please check the post for my 'like'.) Dunno how I can explain this more clearly.:(
     
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    #114
    Yes, I apologise. I thought you were referring to the person who you had quoted. Sorry! :)
     
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    No worries mate.:) At least you gave me an opportunity to explain what I meant which will prevent any further misunderstandings.
     
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    #116
    Nah, I come from a long line of violence and criminal activity on the family tree. The whole thing of the matter is you probably live much too far to even bother saying stuff like that anyway. Besides the only way I'd be afraid of you is if you were trying to find the head of Ong bak to save your village. That guy was tough, man.

    Ok, Let's see:
    Who is not obviously a writer? You quoted a guy speaking positive then later you are not ridiculing anyone on the topic. I can't figure it out. Anyway........

    Is qualified someone to collects $100 for 500 words? Someone with a lot of college? someone who writes stuff? someone who actually knows F-ing english as a first language?

    Do people need to have a decent resume before voicing opinions on the writing market otherwise they don't know anything about it. What about the people who have experience as a customer. Wait a second!!! I have a business degree and in business they teach you "The customer chooses trends and the product capitalizes on it. Customers opinion is one of the most important aspect of a business model.
    Therefore, people who buy articles or sell articles, or write, or think about writing or buying articles can make a correct statement in this topic.
    On a side note, everyone who has joined dp and holds a membership has the privilege to comment anywhere allowed(not right).

    The concept of discussion is not about changing the market through this topic. The topic was simple. A person said "F all of those dirt farmers who offer crap quality for a crappy price then the people poor quality" then another person was like "I know this place is a lost cause, I earn like $30,000 a month writing" and another person was like "haha, maybe the writers who charge too much don't get sales and are pissed which is why topics like this show up"..........etc, etc.
    Its very hard to determine the difference between a high end writer though. It's a little bit of an invisible line. For example: I own a lot of scientific sites so what happens is the articles get a little technical. Now magazines like Maxim have grade school articles in them however the writers over there probably get naked olive oiled woman lap dancing for them while sitting in a jacuzzi of money. Now my writers or "myself" don't get that kind of payment. Who's the high end writer out of this situation?

    Who? Oh, Damn that Jameyson huh. :)
    Who?
    Who? Me. That's not true. I was thinking about escorts and people said I could get a $100 one but word on the street is you have to shampoo your car after to be safe. If you buy the high end $500 ones then you don't even need to wear the jimmy hat. Also there is a lot of quality as the $500 one is not losing her hair. I would buy the $500 one, I'm not cheap.
    It's ok. I know how digitalpoint works with topics involving salary. 90% of people who earn from online make $100,000-$40,000,000 a year. The 9% earn .03cents-$1 per day. The remainder 1% like me are like "Yeah....that's balanced? what is crock"
     
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    #117
    If a 500-word piece of basic content takes you just 20 minutes, then I can see why $100 seems outrageous.

    Most short articles I write for clients currently take an hour or two of research on the topic, finding LSI
    keywords, optimizing, and then carefully editing. I don't put out trash and I don't accept being
    paid like trash.

    Which begs the question of why I bother to revisit this forum...
     
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    To see me? Cause fairy's have sprinkled awesome all over me?
     
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    #119
    I agree with what Content Maestro say. Although most of the content seller say at a very low price. But I believe some buyer will still recognize the value of quality article. And will be willing to pay more. Just have to search..
     
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    #120
    Quite frankly, all writers should feel free to charge whatever they'd like for their content. It's your service, your rules. Charge $25 for 500 words, charge $150 for 500 words, it doesn't matter... just don't come to a webmaster forum and post a lengthy thread of cries when you are having a difficult time finding clients (which is what this thread is, by the way - so maybe you're an exception, and clients flock to you, but let's not forget the nature of this thread).

    I'd also like to say that it is simply outlandish for anyone here to imply that you cannot get quality content for less than the aforementioned prices. I've seen plenty of legitimate, quality content written by (real) native English-speaking, degree-holding folks for WAY less than what some of you are pushing. Sell your services for whatever you deem fair but don't try to fling sh~t all over other writers by implying they're unqualified just because they're comfortable offering a more competitive rate.
     
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