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Do You Still Have Hope In The Content Section Here At DP?

Discussion in 'Copywriting' started by coreygeer, Mar 1, 2014.

  1. Jameyson MacDonald

    Jameyson MacDonald Well-Known Member

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    #81
    The only ones making $20 - $25 or less for a 500 word article are amateurs. The pros are charging a lot higher than this and don't market themselves on DP.

    When it comes to content writing, I'm far from a "pro" but I guarantee I'm making at minimum $75 - $100 on 500 words and believe me when I say I have several regulars paying me to write.

    As a general rule, I steer clear of blog posts. I've found that most blog owners paying for content don't have much money to spend; they're hoping to get a bunch of traffic so they can monetize their site with Adsense, so they rarely want to pay the going rate. When I market my content, I do so on Craigslist and in the local newspapers, never on DP or similar sites.
    SEMrush
    I use a nifty title like "Accomplished SEO Analyst and Content Writer". I never call myself a "freelance content writer" and I never market myself as a blog writer. My services always include ghost writing, technical content writing, fully optimized product descriptions for e-commerce sites, etc. Most of my clients are small to medium-sized business owners needing product descriptions that rank well in the search engines and have no problem paying $35 for a 150 word description.

    If you want to sell content for next to nothing, that's certainly your right, but if you're good at what you do and you're confident in your ability to produce quality content, you could get a lot more and you should.
     
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    #82
    $75 - $100 for 500 words. Haha, that's about as realistic as when I was 16 and told this hot chick that my Fiero beats Ferrari's. Obviously you know that's a little far fetches since you are probably going to say that you own 15 of them next.
    If by some lucky shot you got a customer to agree on that price during his mild stroke it was only a lucky shot. No one is going to have solid work like that online. Anyone who earns that earns by SALARY at some office for a company. Not freelancing without providing a social insurance number and earning cash through paypal.

    Going rate is $75-$100 for 500 words as well. That's the rate when you got a gun pointed at someones' head.
    In otherwords, you lie.

    Anyway, this is exactly what I'm talking about. Writers are pissed because they are being undercut by low quality writers that are charging way less for crap. only problem is the good writers have gotten greedy. $75 for 500 words. What the hell kind of bullshit is that.
    None of you clowns are worth $250 an hour. Dream on. The writing business online will always piss you off because the reason the dirt cheap writers came in is because you jokers overcharge. Then again the two of you shouldn't be complaining about poor quality over at DP anyway because you earn $250 an hour. WOW-WEE.
     
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    #83
    I've been earning a full-time income online for over 9 years through my writing. Depending on the type of writing offered and the skill level the writer has, the amounts those two people are claiming they earn per piece isn't far fetched. The rate can even go higher if a person can translate languages and write well in multiple languages.

    You may find those rates ridiculous and would not consider paying those rates, but there really are people who do not think twice paying those rates and higher. It is up to the writer to have the portfolio, credentials (if needed) and references to justify the rate.
     
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    #84
    There is no "You may feel that way" going on here. $200 an hour is a ridiculously and unrealistic rate. If there was that much money in writing then there would be a collapse of the whole internet business market because every second kid here would be getting into writing.

    Let me tell you something that comes to mind.
    Every now and then I look in a newspaper and there's this article that mentions a douchebag who won $10million. It makes me cringe because it seems that half of the time the morons who win always say the famous line ".....Isn't a whole a lot of money these days, you know!!!". I want to crush the guys' head in and not only because he's rich and I'm jealous. Another reason is because it pisses me off when something so unrealistic happens to them and they act all passive like it's nothing special. What a total jackass.

    Now there is you and others here who are like "Oh, $200 an hour is not crazy. It's normal. Meh, people pay for those". Am I the ONLY one who finds this totally ridiculous that you guys say that but topics in forums like this occur weekly about these so called high quality writers pissed off because of the bad quality writing stuff going on. It makes no sense.

    Tip #1:
    People who earn $200 an hour do not associate with random people online to argue about poor quality writing.
    Tip #2:
    There's no way to be humble and honest if you earn than kind of money. I've met my fair share of extremely profitable business peeps from both online and offline business and I've never met one honest one yet.
     
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  5. Jameyson MacDonald

    Jameyson MacDonald Well-Known Member

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    #85
    It's very realistic and whether or not you believe it really makes no difference. And as for what I'm advertising, there's no deception involved. I've been in marketing and SEO for years and I do everything I advertise.
    [​IMG]
     
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    #86
    DinoJRG is likely to think you somehow falsified the image or payment wasn't made for writing jobs... lol! I'm beginning to think Dino is just one of these people who are pissed off at the world.
     
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    I don't know if the screenshot is real or not. Either way it's very unrealistic and uncommon. It also is not something to show off either. If fake then your full of crap like the usual writer price complaint topics. If it's real then you are a crook.

    Super topic jump.
     
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  8. Jameyson MacDonald

    Jameyson MacDonald Well-Known Member

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    I know. Here's some more to illustrate what I'm talking about. You can view a couple of my ads at http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/res/4647329875.html and http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/wet/4653057120.html The following image is of an email from the guy who paid me the $700 [​IMG]

    A crook is someone who steals from others. If I offer a quality service, set my price and someone agrees to pay it, there's no "crookery" involved.
     
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    #89
    That's exactly what is happening. The market is flooded with people who think they are "writers", claim to be "writers" because they can construct a simple sentence in English. These people will never attract, much less build, a portfolio of well paying clients. They will never receive the rates mentioned. However, that doesn't mean that buyers willing to pay the rates mentioned have all gone in-house, lowered their budget and are willing to settle for less. They are still seeking the writer with the skill set they need and once found, they will pay and pay well for the text copy they receive. It's cost effective for the buyer to pay a good writer well.



    I've been in this game a long time. I've seen the posts and comments on various sites for years about writers complaining about other writers and the quality of buyer out there. It's become worse in recent years since people who live in areas where $3.00/500 word article goes a long way and those people who can form a sentence in English claimed to be "writers" began to flood the resources where many well paying jobs were common. Even before, writers and buyers always had something to complain about. Now instead of complaining about each other, they turned their focus on people willing to work for less and the buyers who hire them.

    A writer actually has to work now, put some effort into marketing themselves to survive. It's not easy pickin' as it once was before and that's what all the griping and complaining seen on forums and misc resources is really about.


    The well paying buyers and skilled writers who can ask for and receive those rates are still present. They haven't gone away. They just prefer to do business behind all the chaos and noise that overshadows many popular resources.
     
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    #90
    A Honda Dealership tells the little old lady that she needs to replace her alternator for $180 when it's not even wrecked. They say it's going to be wrecked to take advantage of her.
    I forgot. It's not called stealing, it's called "good business".
    I suppose I'm more of a black and white type person.
     
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  11. Jameyson MacDonald

    Jameyson MacDonald Well-Known Member

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    #91
    When you consider that an average ghostwriter working on a 90,000 word manuscript will make around $35k when it's published, or someone authoring a 1,200 word essay for a trade journal will make around $900, does $75 for a 500 word article really seem that farfetched?

    Quality content writers do not come a dime a dozen and the good ones never have to worry they'll run out of folks willing to pay for their work. You can re-read all of my posts on DP and not once have I complained about people selling content for next to nothing. It makes no difference what anyone charges for their work because I know where my work stands and I know I will always get business.
     
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    Jameyson MacDonald Well-Known Member

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    #92
    Look, just because you can't find individuals willing to pay top dollar for your work doesn't mean someone that can is a crook. Sounds a lot like you're just hating...
     
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    Very Far fetched. I think you think most writers in the world work for world class magazines or something.
    Yeah, you complain about everything else. Almost as much as me actually.
    I'm not a damn writer. Look at the way I type. haha. Also I don't work so I don't need to find anyone to pay me top dollar. I'm poor and responsibilitiless(see, I'm not a writer).

    It's still dishonest for what you are doing.
     
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    Jameyson MacDonald Well-Known Member

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    lmao No, I know most writers in the world do not "work for world class magazines". Neither do many high quality writers. On the other hand, I have been published in several "world class magazines", trade journals and blogs.

    Here are some of my works:

    http://tinybuddha.com/blog/change-life-tiny-daily-improvements/
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_scavenger (notice specifically the third reference at the bottom of the page)
    http://sorbentsystems.com/Oxygen_Absorber_Facts.pdf
    http://sorbentsystems.com/map-gas-guide.html
    http://sorbentsystems.com/mylarinfo.html
    http://sorbentsystems.com/channel_bags.html
    http://www.plusheat.com/Articles.asp?ID=253
    http://www.plusheat.com/Articles.asp?ID=255

    I have been writing for a very long time and have a well established track record for producing quality content. I have hundreds of references and many of my clients are referrals. I provide a service that many website and business owners need and if I charge more than most content writers, that's because I'm producing better quality stuff than most content writers. If you want Mc Donalds, that's your business, but why bitch because Red Lobster is charging so much more for their food? Content is no different than anything else. You get what you pay for.
     
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    You're right. Considering the fact that you've openly complained in threads on this very site about how you're barely scraping by and can't create a long-term IM career for yourself and don't know what you're doing wrong, I'd never believe that you had a network that brought $90k per unique visitor. I, however, do have a writing reputation that earns me a great living - feel free to look it up.

    What you're currently doing clearly isn't working for you, so you're sitting on a forum criticizing those of us who are successful. Your writing and SEO knowledge is very much lacking; I'd suggest spending more time educating yourself on these industries rather than pretending to be an expert when you very clearly are not. You have a lot to learn and perhaps this is the reason you are starting threads like this:

    https://forums.digitalpoint.com/threads/im-tired-burnt-out-of-online-business.2728777/

    You sound extremely bitter and are sitting here calling legitimate writers "scammers" because they charge a high rate. That's absolutely ridiculous. Spend more time learning and maybe you'll figure out what it takes to make a living online. Picking on successful, legitimate marketers is only making yourself look bad.

    And for the record, if you think charging $25 for an article is a "scam," you'll never make it the online world. Period. If this is your mentality, you should go back to a 9-5 right now.
     
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    #96
    Let me alter this a bit:
    90K /UV per month - Not $90,000 per month otherwise I wouldn't be wasting my time screwing around here. I'd be eating M&M's out of this girls' belly button or butt(depending on her preference)
    [​IMG]
    Blow: http://i61.tinypic.com/14czjh2.png
    That's what I was going to say. Your were in like 50 high budget, yet horribly boring romantic comedies. Hell, if you want to throw maximum punishment to me don't remind me of my salary online. Instead make me sit through yet another matthew McConaughey movie. Although I'm so emotionally hurt from how successful you are I think that damn friggin V muscle thing on Matt's stomach makes me cry when I look in the mirror at myself.:D
    Thus the difference between you and me here. You think this topic is like facebook. A pissing contest to be the ultimate survivor and winner. For me being popular was never my motivation. I also do not have an agenda for success with the use of this topic. Oh right.....haha, not that I believe the podium you are on, you think money is success in life. I love that.
    I can dead press 280lbs. I have another neat and somewhat common skill as well. I can make bubbles with my tongue and blow them out. My record is 46 bubbles in a minute. I've seen others be able to do this but I can do it fast. It helps pass the time when I'm waiting in line at walmart(sorry, I don't have employee's to shop for me like you)...................Oh wait a second, I'm sorry I thought we were suppose to take turns trying to say we're better than each other at random stuff.
    A) I've played tons and tons of video games. In 1993 I got my first NES and I was hooked baby. I'm the type of guy that took 2weeks of vacation off of work to play the new GTA5 when it came out. Therefore, I've got plenty of education under my belt.
    B) I don't understand what that topic has to do with this topic. I gather that you think that since I said something where I mentioned I was unsuccessful online that you are trying to laugh in my face or something. It's unrelated though.
    C) I can tell you are a girl because you do the "Your a sad little man" thing.
    Legitimate at $200/hour is total BS. Nah. That's a F-ing blood sucker on the weak. What will you try to tell me next,
    "Water ain't wet, pain don't hurt, and marriage is love".
    If they were successful than they wouldn't be vulture plucking in forums like this complaining.
    Your butt-buddy Jameyson actually said that $75 for 500 words is not farfetches considering $900 for 1,200words essay is typical pricing. Your $25 is out the window. Now you and the Tian Tan dude are flying in the sky with rates. Thank you Oprah for that last bit of advice though.

    On a last not, I may not be a good writer than you but my paragraphs are a hell of a lot more entertaining and interesting than your "I feel sorry for you" Dr. Phil crap).

    Are we done now?
     
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    And you said all this to say what specifically? :(
     
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    #98
    Can I just say something? (not that anyone will read my rant but meh). IMHO, someone that is a specialist in a field, such as a doctor, for me, if they were to write a quality article regarding anything in the medical profession, I can easily see how this can be worth more then $200 per hour (maybe even $1000 per hour would be considered cheap?) In this case, you are not just paying for the person's time, but rather paying for the immense skills, and experience they have and are sharing.

    The problem I have is with most people that call themselves a writer, that simply "re-write" content available on the internet and pass this off as their own "kuality work". For example, I know an author of multiple books, writing a bitcoin book when they actually know NOTHING about bitcoin. they just started writing, reading a few blogs online, called a few friends and family, and will sell their finished book soon. To me, this is a scam, but try this, find anyone that is a cheap writer, give them $2 and ask them for an article regarding medical advice, even if they are not a doctor and NOT qualified to write the advice... sure enough they will deliver to you an article. But I assure you, it will be mind-blowingly worlds apart, and would have greater authority if it was written by someone qualified working in the field. So believe me when I say that I understand and have respect for well written content and that I can understand and respect a high rate, even if it is $200+ per article.

    I think Jameyson MacDonald hit the nail on the head with this point:
    Many website owners get lured into the idea of making money online, and get suckered into investing money into their websites expecting to make some sort of return, and everyone wants a piece of their money, and everyone complains that the amount they got was too little. I know many people blame website owners for the shitty rates, and outrageous demands for low content, but think about this. If they work 20hours on a site and earn $0, we dont give a shit. Which is why to some of them it might sound ridiculous some of the rates we see for content. Like I can understand the value of a $200 article, but for someone earning $0 per hour, they cannot see the value of the article that took someone an hour to write. If they are making a loss its hard to demand they increase their losses to buy better content that might not improve their situation. (one really good article on its own cannot save a pathetic website)

    While this is not just limited to blog owners, the site owners might think that a couple of dozen cheap and nasty articles might help boost their rankings and they might be able to earn back what the articles cost, but we all know from experience that this on its own will not guarantee to make anything at all. And you can imagine with money going out, but nothing flowing back, they become mega tight arses and the budget (if any) goes down, not up.
    To be honest, someone should have advised them not to start their site, rather then encouraging them, telling them they could earn millions from adsense, and taking money from them for services. Many times I give people honest advice about their ideas, and then their is always some snake that comes along, encourages them to start their doomed project, simply as they want to try to market and sell their services to them.
    Lets face it, the cheap writers make their money from fools, and they need a steady stream of fools to keep them employed.
     
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    Oh my, thank you for the laughs. You haven't made a valid point since you began posting in this thread, but hey, at least you're amusing.

    Flawless logic here, I really do commend you. I'd say you should consider the political field, but even politicians make sense from time to time. Oh well, at least you have your AdSense sites. Lol.
     
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    AND don't forget about my endless bubble supply.
     
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