I was wondering over the last few months a new trend has hit where product creators have been adding pop up,fly in and other forms of a free type mini product of their main product as an opt in. To me this upsets me as a list builder myself and affiliate. I don't want to be sending you my list members or building your list with my advertising dollars. I am trying to make money with my list not send them to you for some free opt in which I get no credit for what so ever. Whats your take of this? When you see an affiliate product have an opt i form that flies in or is somewhere on the page do you stay away or does it not matter to you?
It can be really beneficial - someone who joins their opt-in will be 10x more likely to buy - if you still get the credit then this is great - to check all you have to do is visit the vendor page from your hoplink, signup to the newsletter and click on the emails you receive - if your clickbank ID is still on the bottom of the order form after this then you will get the credit for any sales made to people you send to them, even if they buy through the mailing list.
No serious professional affiliate will consider those, I think. Those vendors are simply copying others and don't appreciate that they'll be missing out on the 10% of affiliates who can produce 90% of the sales. Sadly this is deeply mistaken. First, you don't know what emails others are getting, you only know what you're getting yourself (unless you imagine that vendors send fresh hoplinks to everyone on their list!) Secondly, you don't know if it will change after you've become an affiliate. Thirdly, you'd have to monitor all their emails for 60 days (the duration of a Clickbank cookie) to see whether or not they're a mixture (as often) or all the same. Fourthly, who needs these problems anyway? There are tens of thousands of products on Clickbank. Just promote ones that don't have an opt-in, and stop worrying about it. The day I learned to do that was the day I started making a living. The comparison that matters here isn't the comparison between "prospects who opt in to the vendor's list" and "prospects who don't opt in to the vendor's list". It's the comparison between "prospects who opt in to the vendor's list" and "prospects who opt in to the affiliate's list." There's not much point in being an affiliate without building your own list: that's just leaving two thirds of the money on the table.
I agree that building your own list is the way to go - 100% I also agree that not everyone runs a clean email marketing program that doesn't steal from their own affiliates. However, if you can find a vendor that really is clean and wants their business to be affiliate driven then the conversion rate should be higher because of the newsletter and the repeat exposure that will give. They say it takes 7 visits on average to make a sale - a newsletter guarantees that the people are getting further information. I'm a vendor with a couple of sites, one that I have spent the last 3 months improving the conversion rate on ready for an official clickbank launch - my stats are that the general conversion rate from most traffic - i.e. google natural searches, article marketing etc is around 1.5%, on traffic from my autoresponder that conversion rises to 5-10% on the first few emails - thats without even trying big discounts, one of holiday sales, new product launches etc. I really want to build a successful clickbank product and make it clickbank affiliate driven and not steal from my own affiliates. I know you have been burnt Alexa, and so have 1000s of others, and this is sooo frustrating to me as if it is managed clean and honestly a vendor's newsletter can bring increased conversions, and even upsells, and repeat conversions over several weeks. I would advise getting to know the vendor a bit more if you have doubts - contact them and ask questions, signup to their newsletter (perhaps even a few times), join their affiliate newsletter too if they have one, ask them upfront their conversion rate and for screenshots of it, refund rates etc etc, do a search on here or on google generally for their affiliate program to see if anyone else is posting warnings (or positives ) about it.
Sure, of course; I understand that. Just like an affiliate's newsletter can. And an affiliate doesn't have to be limited to one vendor's products.
I bet you were on the debating team at school You're right - I LOVE affiliates with email lists, they far out perform anyone else, whether using banners, blog posts, PPC or any other form of traffic. If youre an affiliate and youre making mini sites, blogs, review sites without collecting emails then you're probably leaving large sums of money at the table (the metaphorical table).