At first I did not like the new version, but you not what it's because it's change which most people hate at first. I am now actually really liking it. Well done to DP crew
I don't really have many issues with the colors or layout... My problem stems from two things. Problem 1) the ABSURDLY UNDERSIZED FIXED METRIC FONTS. Declaring fonts in PX is a miserable accessibility /FAIL/ - see the WCAG recommendation on that. I'm a Large fonts/120dpi user browsing in Opera... As such I expect ALL the fonts to enlarge 25% automatically without diving for the zoom, which always causes layout headaches. 12px is the bottom end of accessibility... when content is set to 11px and smaller someone needs to be beat with a wet trout. For now to get around the problem, I'm running an Opera user CSS file to 'fix' it. Makes for some wierd padding on a few elements but at least it overrides all the damned fonts to a usable size. /* do not use condensed properties, it will override font-weight and font-style! */ * { font-size:100% !important; line-height:130% !important; } body { font-size:85% !important; line-height:130% !important; font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif !important; } Code (markup): Problem 2) The sheer volume of elements broken cross browser combined with the general 50% increase in total page size. It's not bad enough vBull has the unmitigated gall to waste 220k on JavaScript in the first damned place, but when a forum index comes out at 191k of markup to deliver 17.5k of actual text content, someone needs to stop writing HTML, back away from the keyboard, and take something less detail oriented like macramé weaving. Mein gott, 191k of HTML for THIS: http://forums.digitalpoint.com/ WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT?!?!? Gets even scarier when you realize they are ABUSING an ordered list and using endless nested div's and inlined images for obviously tabular data and presentational elements - much less the completely nonsensical heading orders. Seriously, whoever wrote this DISASTER: <ol id="forums" class="floatcontainer"> <li class="forumbit_nopost L1" id="cat4"> <div class="forumhead foruminfo L1 collapse"> <h2> <span class="forumtitle"><a href="forumdisplay.php?f=4">Search Engines</a></span> <span class="forumlastpost">Last Post</span> <a class="collapse" id="collapse_c_cat4" href="#top"><img src="http://b.dpstatic.com/buttons/collapse_40b.png" alt="" title="Collapse this Category" /></a> </h2> </div> <ol id="c_cat4" class="childforum"> <li id="forum5" class="forumbit_post L2"> <div class="forumrow table"> <div class="foruminfo td"> <img src="http://i.dpstatic.com/statusicon/forum_new-48.png" class="forumicon" id="forum_statusicon_5" alt="" /> <div class="forumdata"> <div class="datacontainer"> <div class="titleline"> <h2 class="forumtitle"><a href="forumdisplay.php?f=5">Google</a></h2> <span class="viewing">(76 Viewing)</span> </div> <p class="forumdescription">THE search engine. This is for discussion about Google as a company, <strong>not</strong> for discussion of individual sites (SEO, PageRank for a site or "why a site ranks where it does" questions) or Google search results.</p> <div class="subforums"> <h4 class="subforumlistlabel">Sub-Forums:</h4> <ol class="subforumlist commalist"> <li class="subforum"> <img class="inlineimg" src="http://i.dpstatic.com/statusicon/subforum_new-48.png" alt="" border="0" id="forum_statusicon_27" /> <a href="forumdisplay.php?f=27">AdSense</a> </li> <li class="subforum"> <img class="inlineimg" src="http://i.dpstatic.com/statusicon/subforum_new-48.png" alt="" border="0" id="forum_statusicon_35" /> <a href="forumdisplay.php?f=35">AdWords</a> </li> <li class="subforum"> <img class="inlineimg" src="http://i.dpstatic.com/statusicon/subforum_new-48.png" alt="" border="0" id="forum_statusicon_112" /> <a href="forumdisplay.php?f=112">Analytics</a> </li> <li class="subforum"> <img class="inlineimg" src="http://i.dpstatic.com/statusicon/subforum_new-48.png" alt="" border="0" id="forum_statusicon_62" /> <a href="forumdisplay.php?f=62">Sitemaps</a> </li> <li class="subforum"> <img class="inlineimg" src="http://i.dpstatic.com/statusicon/subforum_new-48.png" alt="" border="0" id="forum_statusicon_7" /> <a href="forumdisplay.php?f=7">Google APIs</a> </li> <li class="subforum"> <img class="inlineimg" src="http://i.dpstatic.com/statusicon/subforum_new-48.png" alt="" border="0" id="forum_statusicon_8" /> <a href="forumdisplay.php?f=8">Product Search</a> </li> </ol> </div> </div> </div> </div> <h4 class="nocss_label">Forum Actions:</h4> <ul class="forumactionlinks td"> <li class="forumactionlink rsslink"><a href="external.php?type=RSS2&forumids=5" title="View this forum's RSS feed">View this forum's RSS feed</a></li> <li class="forumactionlink subslink"> <a href="subscription.php?do=addsubscription&f=5" title="Subscribe to This Forum">Subscribe to This Forum</a></li> </ul> <h4 class="nocss_label">Forum Statistics:</h4> <ul class="forumstats td"> <li>Threads: 88,086</li> <li>Posts: 1,109,475</li> </ul> <div class="forumlastpost td"> <h4 class="lastpostlabel">Last Post:</h4> <div> <p class="lastposttitle"> <a href="showthread.php?t=198988&goto=newpost#post13730563" class="threadtitle" title="Go to first unread post in thread 'can i create two adsense account'">can i create two adsense...</a> <a href="showthread.php?t=198988&goto=newpost#post13730563"><img src="http://b.dpstatic.com/buttons/lastpost-right.png" alt="Go to last post" /></a> </p> <div class="lastpostby"> by <div class="popupmenu memberaction"> <a class="username offline popupctrl" href="member.php?u=316471" title="mkayius is offline"><strong>mkayius</strong></a> <ul class="popupbody popuphover memberaction_body"> <li class="left"> <a href="member.php?u=316471"> <img src="http://i.dpstatic.com/site_icons/profile.png" alt="" /> View Profile </a> </li> <li class="right"> <a href="search.php?do=finduser&userid=316471&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1" rel='nofollow'> <img src="http://i.dpstatic.com/site_icons/forum.png" alt="" /> View Forum Posts </a> </li> <li class="right"> <a href="blog.php?u=316471" rel='nofollow'> <img src="http://i.dpstatic.com/site_icons/blog.png" alt="" /> View Blog Entries </a> </li> <li class="right"> <a href="list.php/author/316471-mkayius" rel='nofollow'> <img src="http://i.dpstatic.com/site_icons/article.png" alt="" /> View Articles </a> </li> <li class="left"> <a href="profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=buddy&u=316471"> <img src="http://i.dpstatic.com/site_icons/add.png" alt="" /> Add as Contact </a> </li> </ul> </div> </div> <p class="lastpostdate">Today <span class="time">5:50 am</span></p> </div> </div> </div> Code (markup): Has NO BUSINESS writing HTML in the first place. Rewritten that should go something like this <table class="forumIndex"> <thead> <tr> <th class="description" colspan="3"> <a href="forumdisplay.php?f=4">Search Engines</a> </th> <th class="stats">Statistics</th> <th class="lastPost"> Last Post <span class="sControl"><!-- javascript hook for 'shrinker' --></span> </th> </tr> </thead> <tbody> <tr> <td class="icon"> <img src="http://i.dpstatic.com/statusicon/forum_new-48.png" class="forumicon" id="forum_statusicon_5" alt="" /> </td> <td class="description"> <h2> <a href="forumdisplay.php?f=5">Google</a> <small>(76 Viewing)</small> </h2> <p> THE search engine. This is for discussion about Google as a company, <strong>not</strong> for discussion of individual sites (SEO, PageRank for a site or "why a site ranks where it does" questions) or Google search results. </p> <h3>Sub-Forums:</h3> <ul> <li class="hasNew"><a href="forumdisplay.php?f=27">AdSense</a></li> <li><a href="forumdisplay.php?f=35">AdWords</a></li> <li class="hasNew"><a href="forumdisplay.php?f=112">Analytics</a></li> <li class="hasNew"><a href="forumdisplay.php?f=62">Sitemaps</a></li> <li><a href="forumdisplay.php?f=7">Google APIs</a></li> <li><a href="forumdisplay.php?f=8">Product Search</a></li> </ul> </td> <td class="controls"> <ul> <li class="rsslink"> <a href="external.php?type=RSS2&forumids=5" title="View this forum's RSS feed" >View this forum's RSS feed</a> </li> <li class="subslink"> <a href="subscription.php?do=addsubscription&f=5" title="Subscribe to This Forum" >Subscribe to This Forum</a> </li> </ul> </td> <td class="stats"> Threads: 88,086<br /> Posts: 1,109,475 </td> <td class="lastPost"> <a href="showthread.php?t=198988&goto=newpost#post13730563" title="Go to first unread post in thread 'can i create two adsense account'" >can i create two adsense...</a> <div class="memberOptions"> by <a href="member.php?u=316471" title="mkayius is offline" class="memberLink" >mkayius</a> <ul> <li class="profile"> <a href="member.php?u=316471"> View Profile </a> </li> <li class="posts"> <a href="search.php?do=finduser&userid=316471&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1" rel="nofollow"> View Forum Posts </a> </li> <li class="blogEntries"> <a href="blog.php?u=316471" rel="nofollow"> View Blog Entries </a> </li> <li class="articles"> <a href="list.php/author/316471-mkayius" rel="nofollow"> View Articles </a> </li> <li class="addContact"> <a href="profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=buddy&u=316471"> Add as Contact </a> </li> </ul> <!-- .memberOptions --></div> Today <span class="time">5:50 am</span> </td> </tr> <!-- table keeps going --> Code (markup): Which drops it to 3k instead of 5.2k. Tables are not 'evil', they're for tabular data - aka data that is organized in rows and columsn where everything in a column shares a heading and is related, and everything in a row is related - hey, that sounds like a forum index. Yeah, that switch to abusing an ordered list and hordes of DIV's was SO efficient. Of course, I'd probably nueter it down further by stripping all the fancy pointless javascripted crap - loading a new page to view the users info and make choices about the user wouldn't be so painful if they weren't WASTING 160k of markup on 18k of content - that could be stripped to 8k of content without the bloated crap (like that STUPID 8K of markup for the useless dropdown bull on the menu) meaning there's likely little reason for the page to take more than 24k of markup if you stripped out all the 'gee ain't it neat' bullshit.
My issues with the new look are getting fade it seems... Now I like this.. Its getting familiar to me, also pretty comfy than the old one..
Old version was MUCH better. It's like playing a Nintendo Wee-Wee for five years...and then downgrading to Pong!!!
I've tried to be open about this and give it a chance. but man alive i dont like it at all!!! doesnt look like a forum to me. the old forum was much easier to use. this one blinds you really disapointed. I was thinking on getting 4.0 for my forum but not afterthis. can you stil get 3.8 or are they just selling 4.0? Because 4.0 style stucks looks like someone designed it while drunk lol
I think this is much more organized than the old one. It's just a matter of familiarity. We are just getting common to its theme, but the most important thing is the feature, contents etc that is well organized.
I am okay with both, just need some time to get used to it. Too used to the old template because I have used it for years
I like the new look really.. I personally don't like vb4 but this one is more agreeable. But if you ask me which one I prefer old or new? I would go with the old one. I think the old vbulletin is much better performance wise.