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Do you like the new code with the 1x1 image?

Discussion in 'Co-op Advertising Network' started by eduardomaio, Apr 7, 2005.

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Do you like that 1x1 image messing with your layout?

  1. Yes

    17 vote(s)
    42.5%
  2. No

    23 vote(s)
    57.5%
  1. digitalpoint

    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #21
    Log into your ad network account, each ad you have will have a "Stats" link on the left.
     
    digitalpoint, Apr 9, 2005 IP
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    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #22
    Thanks, Shawn.

    How often are these stats updated? Of 4 ads in total, only one (the one with the highest weight) shows any stats at all and that only for March 31 and April 1. Is that unusual? Does it indicate that I am doing something wrong?
     
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  3. eduardomaio

    eduardomaio Peon

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    #23
    There was a space and a 1x1 pixel image. With that I can live, but again I dont understand why not making it server side and why that image doesn't appear in Opera and Firefox, but in IE does...

    [​IMG]
     
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    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #24
    They are updated once a day... The stats from the previous day are added the following morning.

    It does appear in Opera and Firefox (unless your versions of Opera and Firefox are reporting something else as their user agent).

    As far as why it doesn't use server-side stuff, there is no particular reason, other than keeping it simple. Doing it with JavaScript or on the backend is another way it could be done, but just makes it more complicated. The 1x1 image is the simplest way.
     
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    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #25
    Okay, but then how am I to interpret the fact that only one ad shows any stats at all and that one only for March 31 and April 1? My account does have Coop weight and the coop ads ARE displaying on the sites (phpBB forums). Why are there no impressions showing?
     
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    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #26
    Not sure to be honest... how much total weight do you have on your account? And are the ads enabled (sorry, had to ask)?
     
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    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #27
    Yes, the ads are enabled. Total weight on the account is about 37,500 or therabouts.
     
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    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #28
    Shawn, I was just looking more into this and decided to check the code for the ad_network_212.php on my sites. That file showed

    // Last update:  Mar 31, 2005 2:28 pm
    Code (markup):
    Interesting date, since it appears that was the last time I had impressions.

    The new code ( just uploaded) shows

    // Last update:  Apr 5, 2005 11:55 am
    Code (markup):
    I'm not sure what changes were made between March 31 and April 5 -- could any of them be the reason I had no impressions posted after April 1?
     
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    digitalpoint Overlord of no one Staff

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    #29
    I don't think so...
     
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    minstrel Illustrious Member

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    #30
    Dang! :eek:
     
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    lorien1973 Notable Member

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    #31
    Since we are tracking the ad stats now, maybe should start to discount pages that do not get a single impression over a 30 or 60 day period? I see my ads coming up on pages that on a visitor would ever see; in a pretty obvious count to increase weight.
     
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    #32
    The stats would only show on pages that the end user *does* see. Automated processes (like search engine bots) do not count towards the stats.
     
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    #33
    All right. Now I'm confused again (just when I thought I understood it!).

    What do the stats actually count, then? The number of times a page containing the ad (or more correctly the graphic linked to that ad) is loaded/viewed in a browser? I presume it isn't clicks on the ad...
     
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    #34
    It shows impressions as seen by end users.
     
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    #35
    I understand that it only shows impressions that an end user *would* see; but there are more than a few sites in the network that have pages that a user will never see, simply due to the way they are created (random bits of text pumped together to make a page), etc.

    Isn't there even a line in the TOS that says don't make pages to pump up your weight? If there's a line in the TOS, obviously it happens. And since tracking occurs now; pages that never get impressions to it should be removed from the page count for the site.
     
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    #36
    Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought weight was a function (at least in part) of the number of pages *indexed* in Google. If it is indexed in G, then it can gain impressions and be seen -- quite different then those you are talking about. Am I missing something? I doubt G would index pages that cannot be seen by the end user.
     
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    #37
    See Shawn's post above. If I understand this correctly, and I think I do, it turns out I wasn't confused but I think you may be. The stats aren't tracking which page the ad is shown on -- they're tracking how many times the ad is shown. This, they can't be used to determine which pages are showing the ads and which pages aren't.
     
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    #38
    shawn probably could tell from his logs which pages are showing the ads - if he really wanted to.
    lorien1973, pages that never get impressions should be removed from the count - wtf, why ? the pages exist, and since they have links to them people could visit them. A logical follow up to what you're saying is that all pages that get impressions should be counted - they aren't. I have members only areas of my sites - which still run the co-op ads. The pages in these areas will never count towards my weight, they will never be indexed, but I still run the ads on these pages.
     
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    #39
    with the poll, shouldn't there have been a 'it doesn't mess with my layout' option ?
    Do I like anything messing with my layout - NO.
    But then the 1x1 image doesn't mess with my layout, the poll is inferring that the image will always mess with a layout - in the majority of cases it won't.
     
    jlawrence, Apr 12, 2005 IP