Do you know why we wear clothes?

I'm not sure the aprons were an attempt at only concealing their bodies but why analyze the actual message for content...

The first quote is a doosie

The scribes describe the turning point of betrayal but are clueless as to the events that caused it....what is the heart of the religion and therefore anyones guess at which path to follow - no text available, each to find their own answer - offered at their day of judgment. - - Do Christians have Jesus for that answer or an interpretation that is incorrect is but one of the paths? - Only one of many paths for some within the same religion. The Vatican has always been wrong, freedom must come first.

 

What sort of cretinous, incompetent imbecile is your god to have;
a) made a tree with the ability to give people a knowledge he didn't want them to have
b) create a talking snake
c) do all of this while supposedly knowing exactly what would happen and
d) then punish us forever for it?

Even if it wasn't obviously made up bollocks it still makes no sense at all.

 

I'm inclined t suggest that if indeed there is a god and he/she did at least points C and D of stOx's post, that in fact your god may in fact be the devil.

Condemning everyone for all eternity? Devil, man. Devil.

 

You havent known that coz you havent read the Bible. Adam and Eve where in "Eden" they were the masters of their domain a place where you dont need knowledge to live. God gave adam the power to name the animals and the birds and the fish.

Now if you put yourself to their own shoes. Man can easily be tempted without knowledge. In reality the devil will try to destroy you, he will try to temp you to do drugs or sex just like the pleasing apple. Now once you get hooked on drugs and sex and you will have 10 children and you dont have a job you will destroy your life and be punished because you have sinned. God planned to test man if he will stay away from temptations.

my avatar seems a nice guy. XD

 

it's not knowledge, it's lust.
when they eat the fruit, adam start to pay attention to her boobs and eve to his "snake"
that's why they need to cover up.

 

These are better...

 

A better explanation:
As primeval humans evolved opposable thumbs, erect posture, and other adaptations to the life on the African Plains, our ancestors lost most of their body hair. When they migrated, this became a disadvantage--and it would have been lethal but for the invention of clothes and fire.

Eventually, clothing became a useful social barrier to unrestrained sexuality, which I imagine was quite a problem before DNA testing. Rape is made more difficult by the imposition of cloth and hiding private parts allows the social activity of civilization without the many disruptions of unregulated sex. The ideas of "shame" and "taboo" were invented to lend order to mating relationships, competition, and the procreative process. Unfortunately, the adoption of these cultural norms have come at the price of severe, systemic repression and sexual discrimination. Today, some people feel assaulted if someone else sees a naked human.

This Eden myth is thoroughly misunderstood by taking it literally. The "Garden" describes the nomadic, carefree life of a gatherer...which is how most modern primates get by. Being "cast out of it " to earn bread by the sweat of the brow refers to the agricultural revolution. The authors were waxing philosophically on the costs of this lifestyle, which brought food through knowledge but at the price of animal bliss.

This is further evidenced by the following story, which details the natural (and bloody) conflict bound to transpire between farmers (Cain) and shepherds (Abel).

Please note that the entire lineage of the Israelites, up to and including Moses, were engaged in the shepherd trade. Both Testaments are replete with the glorification of livestock exploitation. Considering that it is a low-rent, lazy way to get by, and treacherous to boot, one doesn't wonder if the authors of the Bible were a little defensive about their relatives' primary hustle. After all, their neighbors, Sumerians and Phoenicians, were merchants and shipbuilders. The slant against Egypt is also rather pronounced.

Naturally, the shepherd is the martyr of the tale of Cain and Abel. Personally, I suspect the sheep were eating the crops and the farmers got sick of it. First murder? I doubt it. More like the first smear job. It doesn't really make sense as written. Why would God reject fruits as a sacrifice, but accept animal slaughter? Especially when it says elsewhere that humans were not permitted to eat meat until after the Flood?

To understand this aspect of the text, one must realize that it is an allegorical prose poem employing the anthropomorphication of tribes. That's how they had people living eight hundred years before "begating" another.

These old mythological texts do contain a great deal of invaluable perspective, and are as accurate as poetic flourish, nationalist bias, and a violent patriarchal orientation allows. However, this tale, which is unfortunately as far as many "Christians" get in the Bible, leads to laughable inconsistencies when treated as the OP has.

Go ahead, ask me what the forbidden fruit really was.

 

What was the forbidden fruit, really?

 

You haven't answered my questions. Answer my questions specifically point by point, don't just evade them and start rambling on about some other shit.

 

i like the comparison of the bible stories to humans changing from gatherers to agriculture. I didn't see that way before.

where did you get the "not permitted to eat meat until after the Flood"?

 

k just cutting down all the stuff on the topic, the simple reason I wear clothes is I don't want myself to feel shy about what the others are looking in me

I don't believe in adam, eve and other cock and bull stories, there are naturists who don't wear clothes and there are many types of religious persons who don't wear clothes (you can find such types in India as well, they are not sexually motivated by any means, only the ones who have left their sexual desires end up as such)

may be if I was around in a tribal world, I might have not worn clothes, do the animals wear clothes, so why should we : we are also half animals, its just because so called civilization we wear clothes

 

The main reason most animals don't wear clothes is because they lack the ability to make them and the brain capacity to understand that wearing them would make them warmer. Of course, some animals do have clothes of sorts. Some crabs use snail shells for protection. Sure it's not an armani suit, but the principle is the same.

As for us being half animals, we are all animal. A human is, by definition, an animal. Specifically the taxonomic family of great apes.

 

u mean to say even a shell is a dress for tortoise with your comments
I would dis-agree with that, humans didn't learn wearing clothes from day one, they were naked, its just the modernization and civilization got them a piece of cover to the body which later developed into clothes

animals such as bears, gorilla and monkey's are more than clever enough to design themselves clothes if necessary, there was a very old article dated around 1920's about the same, I came across this article in some library way back

 

- And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked;


To do justice for the immediate expulsion after their act would be the nakedness of their "act" not their physical presence - The scribes of the bible are excellent at times but are also lacking as well for the true nature in the quest for atonement that to this day is unresolved....The latter part of the biblical quote is not real - about the clothing - and an example where true believers will find and record the true meaning than continue with bigoted moralities.

Some would suggest the opposite for clothing, that the bikini enhances sexual desire than the naked display itself, sometimes....being one of the some.

 

No, because the shell is a part of the tortoise. The snail shells used by crabs are obtained by the crab independently and utilised for a specific purpose. That's the point. The crab goes and gets snail shells to wear.

well yeah. I never said anything different.

Through the study of the human body louse, a louse that lives exclusively in clothing, it has been determined that humans have been wearing clothes for about 100,000 years. Humans, in our present form, have existed for between 150,000 and 250,000 years. This means there was a period of between 50,000 and 150,000 years in which we wore no clothes.

No they aren't. They will go into caves or under trees to shelter from the rain, but as for "designing" and making something, it's beyond them. their brain doesn't work in that way. Planning in that way is very much specific to humans, animals tend to run almost entirely on instinct being unable to rationalise their actions in the same way as we do so it would be impossible for them to "think" about something they may need to improve their comfort and then endeavour to "make it".

 

there was a time when we wore name sake covers, which was transparent enough and not much different to modern day "style" of the high class ones

what you say is true, but there's an article written by a scientist who made research on animals on clothing it was believed these animals try to use leaves or sticks to hide themselves as a protective armor which we can call as clothing, it was how the human clothing might have also developed

 

A mushroom.

Due to the wildly unpredictable safety of mushrooms, it was a crime punishable by banishment for mushrooms to be foraged and eaten. This was because some kinds were poisonous. Ridiculous, eh?

The one she found was very likely an Amanita Muscaria with visionary properties.

When the furry primate Eve broke that rule--first by eating it, then by giving it to her male--she experienced states of subtle awareness, understanding the dual structure of nature, laying the groundwork for a lifestyle based on reason. This is why the fruit was said to be from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, and why it led directly to banishment from the Garden. The exile was implicit; once the change occurred, there was no going back to the wild life of wandering.

Can I prove this? Of course not. But it's true, because it is in a Book (see my sig link).

And if you give it some thought, it makes more sense than a magic Apple that God didn't want people to eat because God really wants people to obey pointless rules or punish them for predictably breaking them.

The entire text can be understood in such terms...and once a little common sense and imagination are applied, most of the really wild stories actually make sense. Most people either parrot the meaningless idea that this book is the "Word of God", or the equally meaningless characterization that it represents no more than a fairy tale.
The appropriate treatment is to critique it as literature...

Widely held Rabbinical interpretation based on this verse:

http://www.ravkooktorah.org/gold-noah.htm

 

I reckon God and the Devil are alter egos and both deserve a good swift kicking if all the crap in this World was part of the grand design

I am not in anyway denying a higher power - just wish like Isreal I had chance to wrestle with the loon on equal terms if that's so

My daughter spends half her time naked or taking her clothes off (how she is not cold when asked I can't fathom just yet as I can have me thermals on and she doesn't seem to be bothered).

That is innocence on her part (she is only 3). Woe betide anyone who judges her for that as in my home she can do that if she wishes and noone can tell me it is wrong.

Apart from that if a person chooses to be naked and are not invading anyone elses prudish space then that is their perogative, and none of my Business!

In the bible it also says "God" made Adam & Eve clothes of skins.

Question is though b4 this what was this "God" doing? Being a voyuer by the sounds of things and taking the piss imho.

So why do we wear clothes?

Because this crazy planet makes it cold - oh though also supposedly because Adam and Eve had their eyes oped and we're ashamed of their nakedness.

Well either that or God perving over them and taking the mick....

 

Just to make sure, which book? Do you mean Blues4Kali?


Edit: I just wanted to add that I bookmarked your site, looks really interesting.

 

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