Do you believe their was a worldwide flood?

It's also what you would expect if people migrated out of africa and went in two different directions.

As for pyramids...they are sort of obvious building shapes. I mean, they are about as structurally sound as you can get. That was the purpose of the egyptian pyramids afterall...to last forever.

But whatever the case is, it wouldn't surprise me if there was communication between africa and america and vice versa. Maybe there was, maybe there wasn't. It doesn't mean anything in regards to this question IMO.

 

Boat: http://chineseculture.about.com/library/symbol/blcc_boat.htm
Eight: http://chineseculture.about.com/library/character/bl_zi00011.htm
People: http://www.chinalanguage.com/cgi-bi...eixian=pinjim&sound=0&fields=mandarin,english
Vessel: http://www.chinalanguage.com/cgi-bi...eixian=pinjim&sound=0&fields=mandarin,english


So well according to my quick look, eight is actually slightly different to the version given, and the symbol given for vessel is actually the same as the symbol for boat, and the symbol for people is entirely unlike the one given.

That Chinalanguage site is good though, do some of your own searches. Maybe you can find it in cantonese or one of the other dialects?

 

Austrailia existed as a seperate land mass back then? There were playtpuses?

This is fascinating. Tell me more.

 

Aaahhhh...The platypus...The animal that is the main ingredient for the "Platypie"

Col

 

you sound like a Kevin Smith movie...lol

 

Who's Kevin Smith?

Out of all the theory's of evolution, God not existing etc.. I find it interesting how life can simply evolve from nothing.

I mean, does it not make us wonder how procreation works? Nearly every living
animal, human, sea creature and insect need to plant a seed in order for life to continue. Even trees, plants and flowers have some kind of seed inn order for that species to continue.

The workings of this is miraculous by itself. Yes, scientists know how the innards of these things work, but they do not know why they work. How scientists can undervalue this process by calling it evolution is simply astounding and well, to me, it seems "arrogant".

I can see design in all these things and that points me solidly in the belief in God. Therefore, if a God exists, then the flood was part of his purpose just as the Bible says. It was to remove the wickedness from the earth at that point in time. But, only temporarily. Because we, who study the Bible of course, know that Satan was still there in the heavens doing his stuff.

Anyone can believe whatever they want. I am not forcing anyone to believe what I believe. I will only teach what the Bible says on these matters. The flood was the first cleansing. 1914 was the second cleansing as Satan was cast out of the heavens. Another cleansing is coming soon and we will live on earth without Satan for 1,000 years. After that, all those who were resurrected will have there final test when Satan will be let loose "for a little while". That final test will be the final cleansing, for Satan, his followers, and any humans who follow him, will be made to be non-existent. Then, and only then will humans enjoy forever what Adam and Eve had lost at the beginning.

None of this is new information. It's all in the Bible and always has been. You can read it all yourself and make your own mind up. However, be warned, just like Noah warned and Jesus warned. There is nothing that will stop God from making this happen. Why? Because it is his will. His will, to have an earth full of people that want to live happily, without fear, without wars, without crime, without pain or suffering, forever, eternally.

Col

 

Cheap SEO - you are a witness right? I'm curious what your thoughts are on 1914? Originally JWs claimed that 1914 was the end of the world; but it was revised to be when satan was cast out of heaven, wasn't it? I studied with a witness for a while and that's what I remember.

 

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120655/

I wouldn't say 'simply', but yeah, since life is just chemistry in the end, there is no reason that the chemical reactions which are constantly happening anyway couldn't just accidently get themselves stuck in a self replicating cycle.

Of course no one tries to explain it away as simple as that, and the fact remains that we have no way of knowing exactly what happened, but there is nothing intrinsically mysterious about the concept.

Just the continuation of the self-replicating process. Should be expected.

But that is not what scientists do. Scientists spend their whole lives trying to understand how it works. There is no 'calling it' and then stopping.

On the other than creationists offhand the whole beautifully brilliant system as 'God did it' and thats all the thought they put into it. (once again without justifying the belief in Gods existence)

So science investigates, questions, looks and tries to understand the elegant beauty of life. Creationists sum it up in three words: "God DId It" and then they forget about it.

Science is not arrogant. Religion is arrogant. Science has no presumtpions about knowing everything. Yet religion is founded upon the assumption that it has access to GODS word.

Thats how your story pans out, but none of it is evidence for what you say.

Crazy. The stuff that religious people believe.

Maybe the bible has been the same for the past coupe of thousand years, but the message taken from it most certainly has changed. And people still disagree with your interpretation. Not only the jews and the muslims, and not only the catholics and other denomenations, but even other fundamentalists would disagree with what you are saying.

it is crazy how every religious person can be so certain that they have finally read the bible correctly, yet all disagree. Of course scientists will disagree, they are working with a giant concept of reality, they have to look at everything. Christans only have to look at a single book, and they still come up with 3000 different meanings, and everyone of them are certain that they are 100% correct.

 

That is correct. Yes, I am a Jehovah's Witness. Yes, God being the "revealer of secrets" through his "faithful and discrete slave" has enlightened all readers of the Bible about how 1914 was indeed the year Satan was cast out of heaven. It is perfect mathematically. The chronology of events throughout the Bible is astoundingly accurate with times and events, even the prophecies of rulers, naming some of them even.

If you like, I can post some information about how 1914 came about as the year Satan was cast out of heaven.

Col

 

If you have a link; that'd be awesome.

 

I gotta see this....

 

LOL....You are appearing to be quite naive here. Just because a gathering of "creationists" are fighting against "evolutionists" and some "scientists" does not mean the organization I am in does not look at science? I mean, please! That in itself is arrogance on your part.

I don't put myself in the collective group called "creationists" and neither do any of the near 7 million in the organization. Yes, "creationists" are looked upon as fundamentalists by many. But, I can safely say I am not a fundamentalist.

Lorien,

Here's the info:

1914 a Marked Year—Why?

WHERE were you in the year 1914? Would you answer: ‘I was not born’? But a few million people today can still remember the year 1914.

In 1914 Mary was completing her last year in high school, learning German and anticipating a rewarding career as a schoolteacher. That summer, before going off to college, she was out in the fields of her father’s farm on the northeastern coast of the United States picking worms off the shiny skins of ripening tomatoes when halfway around the world, in Sarajevo, an assassin’s bullet cut short the life of an Austrian archduke. It sparked the explosion of World War I. When news of the war reached Mary, she thought: ‘It has come true! Just what the Bible Students were saying has come true; 1914 is going to be a marked year!’

Mary was not the only one who felt that way about world events. On August 30, 1914, the arresting headline “End of All Kingdoms in 1914” blazed across page 4 of the Sunday magazine section of The World, a leading New York newspaper. “The terrific war outbreak in Europe has fulfilled an extraordinary prophecy,” stated this feature article. “For a quarter of a century past, through preachers and through press, the ‘International Bible Students [Jehovah’s Witnesses],’ best known as ‘Millennial Dawners,’ have been proclaiming to the world that the Day of Wrath prophesied in the Bible would dawn in 1914. ‘Look out for 1914!’ has been the cry of the hundreds of traveling evangelists who, representing this strange creed, have gone up and down the country enunciating the doctrine that ‘the Kingdom of God is at hand.’”

Whether you were alive in that year or not, 1914 should mean more to you than a mere calendar sheet curled and yellowed with age or a headline on a crumbled magazine page. It is a momentous year that touches your life today.

Why Is 1914 a Marked Year?

How did Jehovah’s Witnesses know more than 30 years in advance that 1914 would be an important date for divine rulership? Though the Witnesses at the time did not understand the full implication of events about to take place, the Watch Tower magazine as far back as December of 1879 pointed to 1914 as a marked date in regard to Bible prophecy. And the March 1880 issue of the Watch Tower linked God’s Kingdom rule with the ending of what Jesus Christ referred to as “the appointed times of the nations,” or “the times of the Gentiles.” (Luke 21:24; Authorized Version) That Watch Tower said: “‘The Times of the Gentiles’ extend to 1914, and the heavenly kingdom will not have full sway till then.”

What is meant by the expression ‘Gentile Times,’ or “appointed times of the nations”? And how is it connected with God’s Kingdom? To answer these questions, let us take a more detailed look at Jesus’ words. He said: “Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations [Gentiles], until the appointed times of the nations [Gentiles] are fulfilled.”—Luke 21:24.

What is meant by “Jerusalem”? It points to God’s Kingdom. How do we know? Ancient Israel was God’s chosen people from 1513 B.C.E. down to the first century of our Common Era. (Exodus 19:6; Matthew 23:37, 38) Jehovah organized them under a typical theocratic government, or God-rule. Jerusalem became the capital city. It was there that the God-anointed line of kings from David sat “upon Jehovah’s throne.” They ruled as kings for Jehovah. (1 Chronicles 29:23; 2 Chronicles 9:8) The Cyclopaedia by M’Clintock and Strong states: “Jerusalem had been made the imperial residence of the king of all Israel; and the Temple, often called ‘the house of Jehovah,’ constituted at the same time the residence of the King of kings, the supreme head of the theocratical state.”

When and how was Jerusalem trampled on by the Gentiles? The trampling began in 607 B.C.E. How? By the abrupt ending of the Davidic dynasty. King Zedekiah was dethroned and the city of Jerusalem destroyed by waves of invading Babylonians under Nebuchadnezzar. The Bible at Ezekiel 21:26, 27 foretold this breach in the Davidic line of kings by saying: “Lift off the crown . . . it will certainly become no one’s until he comes who has the legal right, and I must give it to him.” God’s rule was under restraint until “the appointed times of the nations” would end. Thus, the Gentile Times were a time period when the nations ruled without Jehovah God’s having a government to represent his rulership in the earth.

When the Gentile Times ended, Jehovah was to give the power to rule to the One “who has the legal right,” Jesus Christ. Therefore, 1914 would mark the time when Christ began to rule as King in God’s heavenly Kingdom, and since his rulership extends down to this day, it touches you.

How was the chronology figured to mark 1914? The June 1880 issue of the Watch Tower magazine explains: “The long period of 2520 years and their bitter experience under the dominion of the beasts, (human governments, Dan. vii.) is clearly represented in Dan. iv., by the ‘seven times’ of Nebuchadnezzar and his bitter experience among the beasts.” So we must return to the baffling dream of the Babylonian king to trace its line of chronology to 1914.

Prophetic Blueprint

Jehovah, by means of his prophets, has always given his people a prophetic blueprint to follow. “For the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will not do a thing unless he has revealed his confidential matter to his servants the prophets,” states Amos 3:7. For example, Noah was God’s special messenger over 4,000 years ago. Jehovah gave Noah a prophetic warning of the watery destruction that was to come upon that wicked world. (Genesis 6:3; 7:4) What occurred then was also a pattern of a future destruction of the ungodly during the invisible “presence of the Son of man,” Jesus Christ. (Matthew 24:37-39) So it should not seem unusual that what Daniel traced out for Nebuchadnezzar’s world rulership—his fall and his return to power—was also a small-scale illustration of variations in theocratic world domination by God’s anointed King.

What do we see when we examine the prophetic pattern of Daniel 4:10-17? The giant, heaven-high tree represents divine rulership. The tree was cut down when God’s Kingdom of Judah with its capital in Jerusalem fell in 607 B.C.E. After “seven times” of beastly rule by the nations passed, the two constraining bands of metal were released, and divine rulership was restored when Jesus Christ began to rule as King in God’s heavenly government in 1914.

A Day for a Year

How do we know that the “seven times” are 2,520 years? The calculations are made in a way similar to those made by the Watch Tower Society’s first president, C. T. Russell, in 1877 and recorded in the book he coauthored entitled The Three Worlds. This is how it is done: In Revelation chapter 12, verses 6 and 14, we learn that 1,260 days are equal to “a time [that is, 1 time] and times [that is, 2 times] and half a time,” or a total of 3 1⁄2 times. So “a time” would be equal to 360 days. “Seven times” would be 360 multiplied by 7, or 2,520 days. Now if we count a day for a year, according to a Bible rule, the “seven times” equal 2,520 years. (Numbers 14:34; Ezekiel 4:6) Therefore, the duration of the “seven times,” the Gentile Times, is from 607 B.C.E. to 1914 C.E.

What reasons are there for believing that Nebuchadnezzar’s prophetic tree dream stretches into our 20th century and finds fulfillment in God’s Kingdom? One reason is this: Much of the book of Daniel involves prophecies that find fulfillment in world rulership and God’s Kingdom after the lifetime of Daniel. Read, for example, Daniel chapter 2. It depicts a multimetal image representing successive world powers that are pulverized. By what? God’s Kingdom! (Daniel 2:44) Or read Daniel chapter 7 where successive world governments are seen as wild beasts rising out of the sea and finally being replaced by one rulership. Which one? God’s Kingdom! (Daniel 7:14) Or read Daniel chapters 11 and 12. In those chapters a king of the north and a king of the south keep testing each other out in a battle for world supremacy until they meet their defeat at the hand of Prince Michael. (Daniel 12:1) Who is this Michael? Jesus Christ, ruler in God’s Kingdom!

Thus the year 1914 was marked for a very good reason. It signaled the start of the righteous rule toward the earth by God’s Kingdom. It spelled doom for the wicked. It pointed to “the last days” of this ungodly system of things. (2 Timothy 3:1) It signaled a countdown to the start of a Paradise earth.

Col

 

It's common knowledge that if you reject evolution you reject all forms of reason.

Isn't ironic that not accepting that we evolved from the same ancestor as monkies, makes you a monkey?

 

But you are a creationist, and you are a fundamentalist. You believe the mythology of the bible is literally true.

 

Even better than a monkey, I'm a MAMMAL!!!! and a VERTEBRATE. And a EUKARYOTE!

 

You say that like it's a bad thing.

How does being what a monkey is make you better than a monkey?

 

Thanks, SEO.

Curious use of BCE though, don't you think. I wouldn't have figured such an article would use BCE. Anyways.

JW's also predicted end of the world in 1910, though. I think there is a little revision here.

 

Sounds like you are monkeying around with this...

Col

 

How do you manage to brush your teeth at night? I'm surprised you have figured out how to get the cap off the toothpaste tube.

 

I drift back and forth on the evolution/creationism thing. I can make decent defenses for either. What -really- gets me is this site, though.

http://www.talkorigins.org/

Read some of the debates between creationists and evolutionists. The creationists come across much the same as the 9/11 truthers and that really bugged me.

I'm still considering my thoughts here, but this site is very interesting.