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Do you believe in Fate?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by gauharjk, Jun 22, 2009.

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Do you believe in Fate or Free Will?

  1. Fate

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  2. Free Will

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  1. #1
    Is free-will just a figment of our imagination? Is fate over-rated by religions?

    As someone said,"If God knows everything He must know the future, and if He knows the future, He must know the future acts of His creatures. But then His creatures must act, as He knows they will act. How then can they be free?”
    SEMrush
    What do you guys say?

    UPDATE: 9 dead after Metro train derailment, collision

    Was that their fate?

    When Palestinian children are killed by tons of bombs dropped by israeli F16s, is it their fate to die? Were they born just to be punished without any fault of theirs? Why would a loving God do such a thing?
     
    gauharjk, Jun 22, 2009 IP
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  2. stOx

    stOx Notable Member

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    I believe our "destinies" are determined by the actions of ourselves and those who's actions influence us. Like when thousands of people were killed by islamists flying planes into buildings, it was a result of them being in a place where the actions of murderous scumbags could influence them.
     
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  3. gauharjk

    gauharjk Well-Known Member

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    #3
    Fate != Destiny?
     
    gauharjk, Jun 23, 2009 IP
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    abboodeh Active Member

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    combination of both limited to each one, somtimes it's fate, sometimes it's free will.

    for example,
    in 23/06/09 at 21:00 i have my free will to stay awake or go to sleep.

    in 23/06/09 at 21:10 i have decided to stay awake

    in 24/06/09 anyone can say that it was fate that made me awake in 23/06/09 because this our human mind must use logic all the time.
     
    abboodeh, Jun 23, 2009 IP
  5. sachin410

    sachin410 Illustrious Member

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    i don't believe in any god or fate.

    good and bad are random in nature.

    good happens to bad persons and bad happens to good persons.

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    our actions can influence our future, but that doesn't mean our actions can control our future.

    future is a combination of "our actions" + "randomness in the universe".

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    concept of "randomness" explains things much better than concept of "fate"...

    anything can happen to anyone at any time....

    who knows.......tomorrow, the earth may get blown away because of a gamma-ray burst.

     
    sachin410, Jun 24, 2009 IP
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  6. m42

    m42 Peon

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    Fate seems to just be another excuse to avoid taking responsibility for one's actions. ;)

    I rather like the idea of free will. Even when it comes back to bite me in the @$$.
     
    m42, Jun 24, 2009 IP
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    50/50. When ask about fate or free will, i am always reminded of the movie, the sliding doors starring gwyneth paltrow. She plays the role of a young Englishwoman who was fired from her job. There are two scenarios in the film (therefore two 'what ifs'), if she made it the the train or if she hadn't. Very intriguing and made me contemplate on how simple events could change our lives forever. Hope you'll find time to watch the film, beautiful and well directed.

    Cheers.
     
    Alyen, Jun 24, 2009 IP
  8. gauharjk

    gauharjk Well-Known Member

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    The Sliding Doors - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120148/

    I'll certainly watch it. Thanks :)
     
    gauharjk, Jun 24, 2009 IP
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    Squishy Banned

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    We as human beings would like to think of fate - It is our security blanket, it allows us to blame something other than ourselves.

    But there is, unfortunately, no such thing as fate, only free will. As much as people hate to admit it, we are all applicable for our own actions.
     
    Squishy, Jun 24, 2009 IP
  10. Alyen

    Alyen Member

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    yup, we certainly are the captain of our own ships. But I believe that there are circumstances beyond our control that would definitely make some changes. and too bad to say, they change our plans sometimes!

    cheers
     
    Alyen, Jun 25, 2009 IP
  11. Polite teen

    Polite teen Guest

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    Prophet Mohammad prayer and peace be upon him and his family said: "Nothing cause the fate to go back but the Supplication".

    The people who have problems are of 2 kinds:

    1. Those who have it due to their sins.
    2. Those who have it as a test.

    Tests are the chances to be accepted in High, Respected companies.

    Also, there is a Just Rule set by God, that is:
    He cannot be questioned as to what He does, while they will be questioned. (23)
     
    Polite teen, Jun 25, 2009 IP
  12. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    This morning, I saw the image of the Prophet Mohammad in a giant crap I left in the toilet. I almost fished it out, framed it, and converted to Islam. Is that fate?
     
    Obamanation, Jun 25, 2009 IP
  13. wisdomtool

    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    #13
    I guess you need to open up your head, fish out your brains, dump it into the toilet and flush it. This is no forum for inciting hatred. A rest may be appropriate for you.


     
    wisdomtool, Jun 25, 2009 IP
  14. gauharjk

    gauharjk Well-Known Member

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    Thank you WisdomTool. :D Thank you very much...
     
    gauharjk, Jun 25, 2009 IP
  15. ChaosTrivia

    ChaosTrivia Active Member

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    To my view, no "fate" and no "free will". Everything is random without any explanation. Everyday is a new game of chance.

    And for the palestinian kids regular crap of yours, I'm sure that there are dozens if not hundreds of millions children in Asia, Africa, and even in the developed world which would be happy to have food as the average palestinian child have, supplied to them also by my government, not to mention the unmatched free medical treatment for various diseases that they get in times of war and peace, free of charge.

    Just 3 days ago a palestinian woman who had birth complications which the pal doctors could not handle, they called Barzilai hospital in Ashkelon and she was admitted. She and her born daughter (number 6) are in good health.

    p.s. 1 wisdomtools I like obamanation but this time he deserved it. Altough to my view telling jokes on the expense of the "prophet" is definately not "hatred", just very bad taste.
    p.s. 2 gauaerkhaekrh, is there anything in the world which is not related with the palestinians?
     
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    jonathanfigaro Peon

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    sometimes fate sometimes faith
     
    jonathanfigaro, Jun 25, 2009 IP
  17. gauharjk

    gauharjk Well-Known Member

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    chaomaokhao, I am discussing role of fate and free will in determining our lives, not the plight of Palestinians.
     
    gauharjk, Jun 25, 2009 IP
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    shashank_re Peon

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    We should create our own fate..shouldn't sit idly thinking that it happens according to our fate!
     
    shashank_re, Jun 25, 2009 IP
  19. gauharjk

    gauharjk Well-Known Member

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    I agree with you Shashank. But a lot of times we cannot control the circumstances which mould our lives.
     
    gauharjk, Jun 25, 2009 IP
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    eric8476 Active Member

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    Every day is different, does fate have a role in that, I don't know. Reason or not things happen, that's life.
     
    eric8476, Jun 26, 2009 IP