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Do YOU believe in evolution?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by astup1didiot, Oct 29, 2007.

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Do you believe in evolution?

Poll closed Nov 28, 2007.
  1. Yes

    111 vote(s)
    75.5%
  2. No

    36 vote(s)
    24.5%
  1. sb1234

    sb1234 Banned

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    #601
    Great video in your sig, i have it on my site as well
    SEMrush
     
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    #602
    Thanks, PM sent. :) Try to download The History Channel UFO files, they are excellent. :)
     
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    #603
    Atheism is lack of belief in a higher being, other than yourself.

    I still consider it a religion because you are in a way worshiping yourself, or money, sex, drugs, other things.
    It is still a matter of personal preference.
     
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    #604
    I'm not atheist then, i believe in aliens. ;) (cf my avatar, sig).

    According to my non-Evolution theory (established last week-end), humans came from another planet. I've seen a scientific conference (posted here) on traces of an Ancient Civilization of human origin from Mars.

    I'm not pro-Evolution or anti-Evolution.
     
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    #605
    No I don't have my own scientific theory. I do however understand that we humans understand very little.

    Take gravity for example - we know its effects
    - we can explain it is as a formula

    but we can't control it; we can't reverse its effects
    - whereas with electrical attraction we can reverse the charge/polarity thus even reverse the effect or cancel its power, we can create it, harness it, transport it, etc. [Look at a master like Nikolai Tesla who's shoulders we are still standing on today (you can thank him for the computer your typing on - he also propose a wireless world - imagine the difference if power did not come via wires - and instead worked like your wireless mouse, headphones, wireless internet connection - unfortunately the power companies wanted control and thus we have power via power lines)].

    But I get aside from the point - the point is we can't control gravity and this tells me we know stuff all about gravity - we don't really understand it and it requires so much more research. You can observe it or you like - drop the apple all day long - do you know more about it????

    Likewise to those who claim THEIR observations prove their theories - seeing your observations are so right and powerful, please explain gravity to me - what causes it? How to cancel its affects? How to strengthen or weaken it? Because we all know we can observe it - but can we really understand it.
     
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    #606
    I have a question for DP members.

    If traces of an Ancient Civilization (of human origin) on Mars were to be confirmed by more scientists, and accepted by the NASA, would it affect your views on evolution?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u-20g7Bwdw
     
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    #607
    It would need serious rethinking on both the part of evolutionists and traditional religion. It would not disprove either, but certainly impact on their views.
     
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    #608
    I also got a question for you. Scientists believe that a while back Mars was fully covered in water. This belief is held despite the fact there wasn't a signle drop of water ever discovered on Mars.

    Yet, the Earth is more than 70% covered in water and scientists dodn't believe there ever was a flood that covered it entirely.

    When this point was presented to me it made me question "science" even more.
     
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    #609
    If evolution is indeed how we became who we are now, we must ask ourselves why monkeys still exist. From what i've learnt at school when i was a little boy, the human race came from monkeys and chimps.

    Genetic disease?

    [​IMG]
     
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    #610
    I would say that it's impossible and must have been staged or something.
    :p
    It has happened before.
     
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    #611
    [​IMG]

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    #612
    Speciation, and we didn't come from chimps, we share a common ancestor with them.
     
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    #613
    [​IMG]
     
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    #614
    Why do you keep posting these pictures?
     
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    #615
    it's very simple. There are still sheep for 3 reasons.
    1. they are herd animals, they have evolved to be herd animals because there is safety in numbers.
    2. Not all locations where there are sheep are there wolves
    3. they have been domesticated for thousands of years.

    I'm glad you owned up for these being "your words" because hopefully you will take personal responsibility for how facile the point was.

    What next? why are there ants when ants are so small and ant eaters are so big?

    sb1234 address the points raised or stop talking.
     
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    proteindude Well-Known Member

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    #616
    Do you give yourself merit badges?
     
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    #617
    No, if i did id have to give you "try harder next time" badges, And i just don't have the time to make as many as you would need.
     
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    #618
    Hey Stox, why is it when someone comes to the table with obviously a good amount of scientific knowledge. You ignore his comments? Care to rebuttal? Could the case be, you cant debate someone that may know more then you? This guy above sounds like he has some pretty good reasons why evolution is a flawed theory, yet you ignore his comments and move on to someone else.

    Alstar has brought up quite a few issues, why dont you take a stab at responding to them?
     
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    #619
    Mutations - tend to be non beneficial and result in the death of the organism
    Yes, tend to be. They aren't exclusively non beneficial though.

    Genomes - most people fail to acknowledge the already vast variety within select genomes - i.e. dogs - no 'new' genetic material but by selective breeding a huge varieties of expression within the same genetic material.
    The genetics of different breeds of dog are different.

    Vast holes in the fossil record
    Fossil formation is actually incredibly rare. not all animals become fossils. Also we aren't able to excavate every square inch of the planet. But having said that the fossil record is improving all the time. just because there are gaps now doesn't mean there will be as many gaps in the future.

    Serious questions over dating methods
    What does that have to do with evolution? (even though dating methods are fairly accurate now)

    Latest developments in genetic research show changes only when intellectual input is applied
    No it doesn't.

    now sb1234, you show the same courtesy and address the issues raised, or are you going to cowardly hide behind someone else's arguments again?
     
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    #620
    Ok, Of course your above questions are true. Evolution, from my understanding requires a lot more then that though

    The findings you have written about do not prove evolution. Now if they didnt find them, it would totally disprove it.

    That finding is just a stitch in the fabricated theory of evolution. Your going to need quite a few more to prove the theory

    These are just observations from a person with common knowledge of the theory. I have never claimed to be a scientist an any way. Matter of fact with the many differences in oppinions within the scientific community, i dont see how anyone could be an expert. I bring to the table the other theory, which explains everything, of course it requires you to believe in a God. And when Satan comes for you, because he will, you try your theory with him.

    Your responce to Alstar was really weak by the way
     
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